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17:57:08 <@rasengan> milehigh: I attempted to.
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17:57:14 <@rasengan> what changed is someone attempted to exert control of freenode.
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17:57:19 < slimdaddy> yeah, you
17:57:19 < FLHerne> Surely any donation of that scale would have some intended purpose...?
17:57:19 < wright> that was you
17:57:22 < milehigh-> who ?
17:57:23 < brabo> you
17:57:30 < MIF> hey join #freenode-staff-discussions
17:57:31 < zoite> i assume that amount of cash would need to be reported on so there must be financial records from freenode of where it was spent right
17:57:34 < FLHerne> I mean, that's way more than the routine operating costs of the network
17:57:34 < MIF> hey join #freenode-staff-discussions
17:57:35 <@rasengan> again - this is the start milehigh-:  https://devilfruit.com:9000/uploads/9d3c4eb17a6534f2/image.png
17:57:36 < MIF> hey join #freenode-staff-discussions
17:57:41 < slimdaddy> MIF stop please
17:57:48 < slimdaddy> or else i'll tell your mom on you
17:57:51 < FLHerne> MIF: That's here, and also shut up you're an idiot
17:58:19 < milehigh-> that told me nothing
17:58:26 < slimdaddy> rasengan what do you mean by decentralizing freenode?
17:58:28 <@rasengan> I only brought this to the attention of #freenode after 1 month and an impasse.
17:58:39 < Tamara> the s chan is the best chan
17:58:42 < slimdaddy> there is full integration into matrix.org, which is decentralized, is that not good enough?
17:58:43 < Tamara> i have this on good authority
17:58:46 < milehigh-> please elaborate
17:58:47 < wright> what kind of impasse?
17:58:47 < brabo> milehigh-: because it says nothing
17:58:53 < joepie91> looks like there's a lot missing from that screenshot, for starters
17:58:59 < milehigh-> ^
17:59:08 < FLHerne> rasengan: Also, I mean, I'm strongly in favour of the *idea* of a formal "decentralized" structure
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17:59:10 < milehigh-> that could have been self written enven
17:59:11 <@rasengan> joepi91: the rest will all come at once - thats just the start!
17:59:13 < joepie91> like, we all know the "cut off the screenshot at your own reply" trick
17:59:15 <@rasengan> i received that msg and that was my respomsne.
17:59:15 < brabo> it is a very selective screenie to be used to make opinion go one way
17:59:19 < brabo> that's what it is
17:59:26 < milehigh-> ok and now what?
17:59:28 < Tamara> refusing to post the context is kinda weird
17:59:32 < milehigh-> ^
17:59:35 < joepie91> rasengan: this isn't a soap opera with weekly episodes
17:59:37 < milehigh-> you're shady as fuck
17:59:38 <@rasengan> FLHerne: So despite whether you believe me or not (and everyone else here), let's move toward making that so.
17:59:42 <@rasengan> FLHerne: That's all that matters, right?
17:59:43 < joepie91> post the full context or don't post at all
17:59:47 < Tamara> post the full thing you wanker lmao
17:59:52 <@rasengan> That's the full context.  joepie91.  That's the beginning of the convo.
17:59:56 < milehigh-> being shady as all hell and non-transparent is going to get you zero support around here. 
17:59:58 < brabo> "we are bringing power back to the people" - do you mean that?
18:00:03 < moonshin1> i do a lot of infra buying and stuff in my day job and millions of dollars into irc just doesn't make any sense
18:00:11 < zoite> rasengan, for future donations of millions of dollars, please route through me first, i will make sure it all gets reported on
18:00:12 < joepie91> "that's the full context, that's [thing that is not the full context]"
18:00:13 <@rasengan> Others have seen more of the convo. 
18:00:13 < FLHerne> rasengan: Ok, but you have an uphill battle to convince people you're moving the right way :-)
18:00:16 < brabo> and do you think trying to bribe people with o:lines is the way to do that?
18:00:26 <@rasengan> FLHerne: I know.
18:00:28 < Tamara> so there's more of the convo that you haven't shared?
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18:00:37 < brabo> shouldn't you start by asking the community, the people, what they want?
18:00:48 <@rasengan> But I hope the merit and the text of the decentralization speak louder than the messenger, FLHerne.
18:01:02 <@rasengan> brabo: It's a proposal that's being presented
18:01:04 < squirrel> rasengan: how exactly did you donate to freenode? who was the recipient of the money?
18:01:09 <@rasengan> A request for comments so to speak.
18:01:15 < zoite> how do you decentralize the ownership of a domain name?
18:01:20 <@rasengan> squirrel: freenode limited who the volunteer staff operated
18:01:23 < brabo> rasengan: what proposal?
18:01:30 < wright> sorry no, where did the money go?
18:01:39 <@rasengan> brabo: the one from April that will be presented again today, this time to the whole of freenode not just tomaw.
18:01:45 < wright> volunteer staff and donated servers. where'd the money go?
18:01:53 < milehigh-> To be honest that text is way too little information to justify what you're trying to do here 
18:02:00 < zoite> rasengan, are you using freenode to launder your money?
18:02:00 < milehigh-> more info please
18:02:07 < brabo> rasengan: i think you got things backwards, solliciting feedback from community should be stop #0
18:02:08 < wright> you can check the sponsor of each server by checking MOTD
18:02:11 < brabo> *step
18:02:12 < MIF> rasengan: I want to see this "proposal" with your name on it
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18:02:23 < FLHerne> zoite: Presumably by transferring control to some non-profit with a significant number of directors representative of the wider community?
18:02:25 < milehigh-> are you a Fed?
18:02:31 < Tamara> personally I'm all for money laundering, you never know where a banknote's been
18:02:44 < MIF> ^lol
18:02:48 < brabo> Tamara: true, or coins :p
18:02:48 < zoite> isn't freenode a non-profit which already has a board?
18:02:48 < milehigh-> most Us currency has coke on it 
18:02:50 < milehigh-> so ya
18:02:52 < Tamara> if a rich guy wants to use an irc net to wash some money, who are we to disagree
18:02:54 < FLHerne> rasengan: Isn't the sole director of Freenode Ltd. you?
18:02:56 < MIF> rasengan: I want to see this "proposal" with your name on it
18:02:57 < milehigh-> that means its been in a nose
18:02:58 < brabo> milehigh-: and hep c
18:03:03 < milehigh-> so now you have coronas and coke
18:03:10 < milehigh-> and the heps
18:03:13 < milehigh-> the 3 C's
18:03:14 <@rasengan> FLHerne: As of a few months ago due to christels' resignation, yes.
18:03:24 < FLHerne> MIF: Please stop repeating yourself, it's annoying and unhelpful
18:03:29 < joepie91> <rasengan> But I hope the merit and the text of the decentralization speak louder than the messenger, FLHerne.
18:03:29 < joepie91> yeah so see, this is exactly the problem, that text looks phrased SPECIFICALLY to screenshot without context and create a misleading narrative
18:03:37 < brabo> rasengan: and why do you think you represent this community of floss communities?
18:03:38 < wright> rasengan: i thought you said she was forced out
18:03:45 < joepie91> you know, specifically to imply that you're all in favour of decentralization while chasing the opposite
18:03:47 < wright> that doesn't sound like a resignation does it
18:03:48 <@rasengan> joepie91: Not that screenshot.
18:03:54 < Tamara> then what?
18:03:55 < milehigh-> joepie91: i agree
18:03:57 <@rasengan> joepie91: I'm talking about the actual proposal which will have an RFC period.
18:04:04 < joepie91> rasengan: okay, where is it
18:04:07 < milehigh-> then what other data are you presenting to justify this? 
18:04:10 < brabo> it isn't there
18:04:11 < joepie91> and where is the RFC process documented
18:04:11 < Tamara> everything is wrong but you refuse to actually prove whatever is 'right'
18:04:14 < squirrel> rasengan: as far as i can tell, freenode staff seems to be not affiliated with freenode limited though? what exactly does freenode limited do?
18:04:14 < joepie91> and who makes the final decisions
18:04:17 <@rasengan> joepie91: It was drafted early april.  It wasn't complete as we seeked tomaw's help for the initial proposal.
18:04:22 < brabo> he is scrambling to write something right now that seems like he's the good guy :p
18:04:25 <@rasengan> And then this all spiraled out of hand
18:04:27 < joepie91> rasengan: okay, so there is functionally no document
18:04:31 <@rasengan> so it's incomplete which is why I need some time and to discuss with people.
18:04:33 < milehigh-> i bet you're some piece of shit FED asset because freenode
18:04:37 <@rasengan> joepie91: there is a document
18:04:38 < wright> did it spiral out of hand when you tried to do a hostile takeover
18:04:40 < milehigh-> has had a target on its back for years
18:04:46 < milehigh-> ever since that shit that happened
18:04:48 < brabo> rasengan: then share the draft right now?
18:04:49 < joepie91> rasengan: you *say* there is a document. I frankly don't believe you
18:04:49 < MIF> rasengan: we, whois we?
18:04:50 < wright> at which moment in time did you realise this was going fucking terribly for you
18:04:55 < brabo> cause you do realize we don't believe you, right?
18:05:07 < FLHerne> milehigh-: Can you dial back the ludicrous allegations?
18:05:19 < FLHerne> They just detract from any real criticism :p
18:05:21 < milehigh-> Why
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18:05:35 < MIF> lol
18:05:38 < milehigh-> lol
18:05:41 < rowbee> lol
18:05:42 < MIF> I am talking about 
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18:05:47 < joepie91> rasengan: and considering that all of the other staff seem pretty fucking vehemently opposed to you, it's not exactly a credible claim - or not even a real claim, just an *implied* claim - that you're doing this in cooperation with the community or even the staff
18:05:49 < Tamara> comrade we
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18:06:19 <@rasengan> joepie91: It was with tomaw and a mediator to be presented to the overall community.
18:06:29 < MIF> 1304:17 @rasengan │ joepie91: It was drafted early april.  It wasn't complete as we seeked tomaw's help for the initial proposal. 
18:06:30 < zoite> rasengan, why do you want to change what has been working for 20+ years?
18:06:31 < moonshin1> i'm still stuck on where the millions of dollars went
18:06:37 < joepie91> rasengan: like, very fundamentally, why should literally anybody care about your views on Freenode matters when you're not the one who's actually running it day-to-day?
18:06:44 < joepie91> rasengan: yeah, uh, that's not how "community engagement" works
18:06:45 < milehigh-> So wait, what happened with Tomaw?
18:06:46 < brabo> and we weren't invited as overall community?
18:06:50 < milehigh-> i heard about this and i want to hear your side
18:06:50 < brabo> hah
18:06:53 < FLHerne> moonshin1: I'm more stuck on the existence of the millions of dollars, tbh ;-)
18:06:59 < Tamara> community engagement is when you do cloak and dagger shite, the more you do the more engagement it is
18:07:02 < joepie91> rasengan: you don't write a thing and then ask the community to rubberstamp it
18:07:13 < Tamara> engaging with the community by popping up out of manhole covers in the dead of night
18:07:13 <@rasengan> I'm not asking anyone to rubberstamp anything right now.
18:07:25 < brabo> rasengan: help us believe you
18:07:29 < MIF> FLHerne: what millions of dollars
18:07:30 < brabo> produce this draft you say you have
18:07:31 < joepie91> rasengan: no, you're just telling us that you were planning to ask the community to do so in the future, which is really not any better
18:07:36 <@rasengan> brabo: 100%.
18:07:40 < brabo> we're waiting
18:08:02 < brabo> and over 5 minutes already, shouldn't be that complicated to make a paste eh?
18:08:03 < moonshin1> MIF: apparently running freenode costs millions of dollars
18:08:12 < MIF> it does not cost them anything
18:08:31 < joepie91> and I ask again: why should anybody care about what you have to say on the matter, considering that from a day-to-day operational perspective you are indistinguishable from any random Freenode user who sometimes comes online to ask a question?
18:08:31 < MIF> the staff is unpayed
18:08:33 < Tamara> most of the money has to be spent on money cleaning
18:08:39 < moonshin1> this is like some maltese falcon.
18:08:42 < Tamara> it's a bit of a paradox you know, the more money the more cocaine it's covered in
18:08:42 < milehigh-> MILLIONS
18:08:48 < moonshin1> sorry, obscure reference maybe
18:08:54 < milehigh-> holy shit rasengan ok so i do have an important question
18:08:55 < milehigh-> are you single
18:08:58 < joepie91> what gives you the legitimacy that you claim to have to speak in any kind of official or organizational capacity?
18:08:59 < wright> rasengan: if you donated millions then where is that reflected on the company's house filing history
18:08:59 < brabo> joepie91: nothing, but we should care about his bribe attempts to get prominent users on his side ;)
18:09:01 <@rasengan> brabo: I'm not going to paste something that's incomplete.
18:09:05 < squirrel> can i be an ircop pls? i only ask for $20k a month
18:09:08 < joepie91> milehigh-: let's not do that.
18:09:09 <@rasengan> brabo: But it started in april 3 and this will all be verified.
18:09:11 < brabo> rasengan: ok so then we do not believe you lol
18:09:20 < milehigh-> joepie91: what? i just want to know if he wants a future ex wife 
18:09:22 < brabo> rasengan: keep hiding things from the community
18:09:26 <@rasengan> wright: not sure, we're trying to get this from the volunteer staff.
18:09:27 < brabo> surely more trust will be had
18:09:28 <@rasengan> brabo: Great.
18:09:29 < joepie91> rasengan: so that means there's no document. got it.
18:09:29 < milehigh-> i can take half of freenode for you guys 
18:09:36 < wright> rasengan: no, you're the sole director of the company
18:09:40 < Tamara> strong recommendation to not marry him
18:09:41 < brabo> joepie91: exactly
18:09:45 < zoite> rasengan, do you own PIA?
18:09:49 < MIF> rasengan: I don't CARE if it is only the word "A" I want to see SOMETHING that says you and ANY freenode staff have agreed on this
18:09:52 < wright> rasengan: why are the accounts overdue and why does the filing history not reflect the "millions" you've invested in freenode?
18:09:53 <@rasengan> ok no document. great.
18:09:55 <@rasengan> zoite: no.
18:10:13 < MIF> wright: he is not going to answer that
18:10:15 < Tamara> lol this entire thing is just "just trust me bro" and you expect people to just do that
18:10:19 < brabo> rasengan: all we have so far are some words from some largely unknown person
18:10:20 < MIF> ^
18:10:21 <@rasengan> wright: again, trying to get that from the freenode volunteer staff.
18:10:31 < wright> rasengan: no, you're the sole director of freenode limited
18:10:43 < zoite> i think we should trust him, he seems pretty reliable
18:10:46 <@rasengan> wright: exactly.
18:10:46 < Tamara> whatever else you are, you don't know when to stop digging your hole
18:10:48 < joepie91> lol
18:10:54 <@rasengan> I'm not digging a hole.
18:10:55 < brabo> Tamara++
18:10:55 < MIF> lol
18:10:55 < wright> rasengan: i will ask you again, why have you, the sole director of freenode limited, not kept your accounts up to date and why does your company's filing history not express the "millions" you've donated
18:10:55 < milehigh-> Tamara: that's why my theory to marry him and steal half of freenode back is better
18:10:58 < brabo> rasengan: yea you are
18:10:58 <@rasengan> I've been saying the same thing the whole time.
18:11:02 < brabo> and you are falling in it
18:11:08 <@rasengan> wright: Good question.
18:11:08 < brabo> yeye
18:11:10 < wright> rasengan: where did the money go and why are they not reflecting in the company's accounts?
18:11:12 < FLHerne> rasengan: Given the "freenode volunteer staff" disavow all connection with the company, and you're the sole named director, I don't see why you'd need or want to ask them
18:11:13 < brabo> you have "proof"
18:11:15 < brabo> sure
18:11:18 <@rasengan> wright: As I explained, there is a major issue here.  Hope you can report that to the companies house!
18:11:19 < joepie91> <joepie91> and I ask again: why should anybody care about what you have to say on the matter, considering that from a day-to-day operational perspective you are indistinguishable from any random Freenode user who sometimes comes online to ask a question?
18:11:20 < joepie91> <joepie91> what gives you the legitimacy that you claim to have to speak in any kind of official or organizational capacity?
18:11:25 < Tamara> i am not digging a hole, i continue to insist, as i fall into lava
18:11:26 < brabo> just can't quite reproduce it when asked for it
18:11:33 < zoite> rasengan, when you said you donated millions did you mean dollars or thoughts and prayers?
18:11:42 < squirrel> rasengan: you are a sole director of freenode limited and you donated millions to freenode limited, and you want freenode volunteers to explain where the money went?
18:11:45 <@rasengan> zoite: dollars.
18:11:47 < wright> rasengan: the isssue is your responsibiltiy as currently the sole director of the company and long-term the majority share holder
18:11:50 < milehigh-> how many 
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18:11:55 < milehigh-> rasengan: give us a dollar amount 
18:11:56 < zoite> so do you have a record of this?
18:12:02 < zoite> did you get a receipt
18:12:02 < FLHerne> rasengan: I know the duties of a director, and one of the key ones is not having to ask an amorphous group of anonymous non-employees about the disposition of large sums of money
18:12:03 < milehigh-> 1 mil, 2 mil, 100 mil? 
18:12:07 < Tamara> it doesn't matter if you're consistently shady, the longer you're shady the more exposure you get and the more material people have
18:12:15 <@rasengan> FLherne: Good point.
18:12:20 < moonshin1> seriously, it's tragic if you donated that much money and don't know how it was spent.  i mean, thanks, but it just creates so many questions instead of answering any
18:12:29 < wright> rasengan: so you're telling me you can't tell me where the money you gave freenode went and you can't explain why you've not filed your accounts to reflect all that money you claim
18:12:33 < milehigh-> you DO realize how autist people here are and they're going to find EVERYTHING you're hiding right
18:12:38 < FLHerne> rasengan: If that's actually true, it *still* doesn't reflect well
18:12:47 < milehigh-> any lies will be put on blast 
18:12:59 <@rasengan> moonshin1: I know. ask every open source org i donated to if i asked them what they did with it.  I trusted them.
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18:13:05 < brabo> milehigh-: we should make a chan for this op ;)
18:13:10 < wright> rasengan: it sounds to me like you might have admitted to tax avoidance
18:13:12 <@rasengan> milehigh: I'm not finding anything.
18:13:12 < milehigh-> you trusted them
18:13:14 <@rasengan> hiding*
18:13:14 < milehigh-> with millions
18:13:21 <@rasengan> So feel free to find anything you all can.
18:13:25 < milehigh-> good
18:13:31 < milehigh-> i sure hope for your sake you're not 
18:13:34 < joepie91> rasengan: you seem to be implying that you "donating" money entitles you to a management position
18:13:35 < milehigh-> because they will eat you alive
18:13:38 < zoite> rasengan, do you own freenode then, if you're the owner of freenode ltd?
18:13:42 < FLHerne> So my choices are that you're lying about the existence of this money, or a sequence of improbable events has occurred and you're an ineffective and gullible director
18:13:42 <@rasengan> joepie91: no
18:13:48 < FLHerne> Neither of those makes me trust you
18:13:50 < MIF> rasengan: you still failed to show a SCRAP of evidence that anything you say is tryue
18:13:50 <@rasengan> im saying i dont know what happened to the money because after i donated it
18:13:54 <@rasengan> i didnt ask what they did with it.
18:14:02 < moonshin1> who did you write the checks to?
18:14:04 < moonshin1> tomaw?
18:14:04 < Tamara> I don't know if there even are any particularly special ulterior motives, rich guy does rich guy things
18:14:09 < wright> rasengan: can you show me the accounts that reflect the money being donated?
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18:14:24 < joepie91> rasengan: okay, so then why are we talking about the donations at all, when the actual matter at hand is about your legitimacy (or rather, lack thereof) as someone with any power over how Freenode is run?
18:14:32 <@rasengan> I don't know tbh
18:14:34 <@rasengan> Everyone keeps asking me
18:14:35 <@rasengan> If I
18:14:39 <@rasengan> If I'm laundering money haha
18:14:43 < wright> you weren't prepared for this were you
18:14:44 <@rasengan> So I'm just explaining and answering.  That's all.
18:14:44 < MIF> rasengan: I was told by STAFF that freenode does not take any moeny
18:14:51 < brabo> rasengan: if it wasn't clear to you yet: unless you provide the community with at least shreds of proof, no one is buying your story
18:14:52 <@rasengan> wright: For what?
18:14:54 < joepie91> rasengan: okay, so let's forget about the money then, and return to my earlier questions
18:14:57 < MIF> that they don't need to pay ANYbody
18:15:01 < joepie91> <joepie91> and I ask again: why should anybody care about what you have to say on the matter, considering that from a day-to-day operational perspective you are indistinguishable from any random Freenode user who sometimes comes online to ask a question?
18:15:01 < joepie91> <joepie91> what gives you the legitimacy that you claim to have to speak in any kind of official or organizational capacity?
18:15:29 <@rasengan> but wright to be clear i mean the list will come later if you so wish when someone can compile it but just look at freenode.live ? does that show that freenode took no money?
18:15:38 < FLHerne> joepie91: Basically, that he's sole director of Freenode Ltd., and Freenode Ltd. owns the freenode.net domain
18:15:46 < joepie91> or, more bluntly: you don't actually run the network. why are your views on the network more important than those of any other?
18:15:46 < FLHerne> joepie91: That gives him de facto control
18:16:01 < FLHerne> I don't see that it gives him any moral authority, which is what worries me
18:16:02 < wright> rasengan: i'm not saying no money, i'm saying "millions" seems unlikely
18:16:06 <@rasengan> jjoepie91: I have an issue with my solitary control.. and thats why i tried to solve in april.
18:16:07 < moonshin1> surely you have at least an accountant on retainer who could answer that for you.  i just think if you could put all of those facts on the table about money, who got it, and what you did after, that would be helpful
18:16:08 < wright> did you lose a couple of hundred thousand?
18:16:19 < joepie91> rasengan: but you *don't* have control, as far as I can tell.
18:16:23 <@rasengan> joepie91: I do.
18:16:29 < wright> what do you control?
18:16:30 < joepie91> okay, what exactly do you control then?
18:16:33 < milehigh-> so if you've been our benefactor for this whole time and you obviously dont know jack about how we operate, what makes you think you're going to make changes for the better, and that you've earned the spot you're trying to have? 
18:16:41 <@rasengan> DNS, services, etc.
18:16:43 < wright> what access do you have? how come you've had to ask for kevinp to get access?
18:16:47 <@rasengan> I was simply locked out of access to everything.
18:16:52 < wright> how did you have access to services?
18:16:55 < FLHerne> For ten years?
18:16:57 < Tamara> idk why you seem super trustworthy
18:16:58 < joepie91> rasengan: last I checked, the infrastructure was sponsored
18:17:02 < Tamara> i'd totally give you access to everything
18:17:05 < wright> surely you could have given that to kevinp without having to ask publicly
18:17:20 < joepie91> rasengan: and okay, so -- you're locked out, which means you cannot control those things. which means that the problem of your solitary control is solved. yes?
18:17:35 < zoite> rasengan, by millions of dollars donated are you referring to the bribes talked about here? https://distfiles.dereferenced.org/stuff/nirvana-log.txt
18:17:38 <@rasengan> wright: You don't seem to have enough information about this to ask questions that will help but I can clearly see you have an inquisitive mind to be able to help this discussion once you do.  Please try to read up on everything that's been published thus far - from both sides.
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18:18:00 <@rasengan> zoite: That's not me.
18:18:10 < wright> give me the information! i'm all ears
18:18:18 < zoite> but he works for you right?
18:18:21 < wright> through what mechanism did you have access to services?
18:18:44 < joepie91> like, if the problem is your solitary control over Freenode-related infrastructure, and your control over those has been removed by locking you out -- then it feels to me like the case is closed, and you can fade back into obscurity and let the opers run the network as before
18:18:55 < wright> please facilitate my inquisitive mind
18:19:11 < milehigh-> read up on everything ?
18:19:16 < milehigh-> you mean the single text you provided
18:19:21 < MIF> wright: he is not going to answer and thing that he NEEDS to show some proof
18:19:22 < milehigh-> yes we've read up
18:19:28 < MIF> what text milehigh- 
18:19:37 < milehigh-> scroll up
18:19:50 < milehigh-> https://devilfruit.com:9000/uploads/9d3c4eb17a6534f2/image.png
18:19:58 < MIF> mt
18:19:59 < milehigh-> that's our proof
18:20:06 < MIF> you think I am joking?/mt
18:20:11 < milehigh-> phew, look at all that proof
18:20:21 < MIF> lol
18:20:23 < milehigh-> damn 
18:20:28 < milehigh-> i'm just inundated wit hPROOF
18:20:30 < MIF> devilfruit.com unexpectedly closed the connection.
18:20:32 < zoite> he signs his texts with 'xx' what else do you need to know to prove he's trustworthy?
18:20:58 < MIF> The webpage at https://devilfruit.com/uploads/9d3c4eb17a6534f2/image.png might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
18:21:11 < milehigh-> ah well
18:21:17 < milehigh-> i just so happen to still have it open
18:21:19 < zoite> i think you forgot the port MIF 
18:21:25 < MIF> I had it before
18:21:30 < milehigh-> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FWJtpfD2/Screen%20Shot%202021-05-14%20at%2011.21.25%20AM.png
18:21:35 < milehigh-> there you go! 
18:21:59 <@rasengan> yo MIF
18:22:00 < Tamara> freenode having freenode domains is going to be huge for freenode :^
18:22:03 <@rasengan> you gotta add :9000 bro
18:22:06 < Tamara> hope we can set some precedence :^^^
18:22:35 < MIF> rasengan: 1 I did and 2 is that text messaging?
18:22:45 < milehigh-> 09:59:56 <@jess> imagine having a bunch of money and still getting absolutely owned like this
18:23:25 <@rasengan> haha
18:23:33 < Tamara> milehigh-: can you not
18:23:42 < MIF> rasengan: who where you talking to when you said https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FWJtpfD2/Screen%20Shot%202021-05-14%20at%2011.21.25%20AM.png
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18:24:05 < moonshin1> rasengan: you probably have a team around you, i'm not sure why you have't had them put a file together on this and run it through legal and then drop it on github, that will make your relationship and investment with freenode clear
18:24:16 < joepie91> <joepie91> rasengan: and okay, so -- you're locked out, which means you cannot control those things. which means that the problem of your solitary control is solved. yes?
18:24:17 < joepie91> <joepie91> like, if the problem is your solitary control over Freenode-related infrastructure, and your control over those has been removed by locking you out -- then it feels to me like the case is closed, and you can fade back into obscurity and let the opers run the network as before
18:24:18 < Tamara> if a rich guy wants to play out a power fantasy, I think it's probably better not to feed it
18:24:28 < Tamara> you know i think joepie91 makes some good points here
18:24:42 < Tamara> wonder why they haven't been answered - we can only imagine!
18:25:11 < MIF> because rasengan is not going to answer anything that requires  proof because he does not have any
18:25:25 < Tamara> i'm sure he'll offer some convincing proof any moment now
18:26:19 < MIF> like that "proposel"
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18:26:26 < MIF> that 1. is not real 
18:26:37 < MIF> 2. is prob not past A preposal
18:26:58 < Tamara> I can't really understand how he expected this to go
18:27:00 < MIF> 3. I want to see it, with both YOUR and some freenode staff's name on it
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18:27:16 < MIF> rasengan: you better give that to me
18:27:17 < brabo> MIF: indeed
18:27:23 < brabo> but we all know that'll never happen!
18:27:27 < MIF> Yep
18:27:30 < MIF> because it is a LIE
18:27:45 < MIF> and I DON'T care that it is not finished
18:27:51 < Tamara> the proof will be forthcoming momentarily I'm sure
18:27:55 < brabo> though we should be thankful of rasengan for the weekend entertainment and giving us something to channel our frustrations with the world into!
18:27:58 < MIF> (he is prob writing it right now)
18:28:06 < Tamara> the lapse in messages from him is him putting it together in ms paint
18:28:11 <@rasengan> I’m not writing anything. 
18:28:17 < MIF> you just did
18:28:17 <@rasengan> I’m in the restroom
18:28:23 < Tamara> exactly you're doing it freehand with a pencil tool eesh
18:28:25 <@rasengan> i mean not writing that doc you said lol
18:28:42 < Tamara> who takes ms paint into the bathroom with them anyway
18:28:49 < Tamara> is this a rich person thing i'm not getting
18:28:59 <@rasengan> haha 
18:29:16 < milehigh-> maybe he has affluenza
18:29:23 <@rasengan> thank you all too though. Your passion to freenode makes me know that even if I have to be blamed as some enemy to get it done - decentralizing freenode is the right move. 
18:29:39 < Tamara> this is some doublethought shite
18:29:44 < brabo> rasengan: no, what we want is for you to back the fuck off and leave this community in peace
18:29:44 < Tamara> either that or a troll
18:29:45 < milehigh-> way to be a sociopath but ok
18:29:53 <@rasengan> Lol wut
18:29:53 < joepie91> rasengan: you didn't answer my question
18:30:10 < Tamara> indeed he didn't answer the question
18:30:11 <@rasengan> brabo I’m trying to bring peace to the community from a threat. 
18:30:13 < brabo> joepie91: that's the deflect part of darvo ;)
18:30:21 < Tamara> in what world are you not the threat here
18:30:26 < joepie91> only threat I see here is you
18:30:46 <@rasengan> That’s not what freenode said to me the past 6 years or so 
18:30:46 < MIF> Tamara: sadily staff have confirmed that he is not a troll
18:30:51 < brabo> rasengan: doesn't quite look like that, and your empty promises of proof and docs, yeah you don't seem to be able to rpoduce that so. why would anyone believe one word of what you say? ;)
18:30:53 <@rasengan> only when I tried to stop the domain theft. 
18:31:04 < joepie91> and again, you have failed to answer my question
18:31:04 <@rasengan> Brabo - don’t believe me 
18:31:09 < brabo> this just fits perfect with your reputation
18:31:09 < Anastasius> Hi MIF!
18:31:11 < milehigh-> who the fuck even are you
18:31:13 < MIF> hey Anastasius 
18:31:16 < FLHerne> What the others said
18:31:18 < Tamara> answer joepie91
18:31:23 < Anastasius> Hi joepie91!
18:31:25 < brabo> answer joepie91 
18:31:26 < FLHerne> rasengan: Domain theft?
18:31:30  * joepie91 waves
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18:31:39 < MIF> oh Anastasius asdflkj_sh I told rasengan that if he shows his face on my network he WILL get banned
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18:32:06 < MIF> did I tell you that Anastasius 
18:32:08 < MIF> err rasengan 
18:32:10 < Anastasius> I dun even know who that is.
18:32:18 < FLHerne> rasengan: So far, your logs show that tomaw had control of the domain with the agreement of other ops, and he's since ceded it to you?
18:32:22 < MIF> he is trying to take over freenode
18:32:32 <@rasengan> joepie91: The answer to your question if I'm asnswering the right one is that control was STOLEN from freenode limited.
18:32:35 < FLHerne> I don't see where the "theft" is supposed to have taken place
18:32:46 <@rasengan> FLHerne: No.  I had control.  tomaw ceased and locked me out.
18:32:53 <@rasengan> Err Freenode limited control rather*
18:32:58 < brabo> haha
18:33:01 < brabo> nice slip there
18:33:03 < brabo> ;)
18:33:04 <@rasengan> not a slip
18:33:09 <@rasengan> I am in control of freenode limited.
18:33:10 < MIF> brabo: lol
18:33:13 < joepie91> rasengan: that's not what I asked. I asked you to confirm that if a) the problem is your centralized control, and b) you no longer have control because you have been locked out, then -> the problem is solved and the case is closed, right?
18:33:14 < Tamara> right so the 'domain theft' you're talking about is someone trying to deny you control of something that you should not have control of
18:33:16 < Tamara> cool cool
18:33:21 < JimBuntu> rasengan: please re-state your statements that had err in them
18:33:24 < MIF> oh my dog says GET OFF FREENODE
18:33:31 < FLHerne> rasengan: Why are you in control of Freenode Ltd, and why is Freenode Ltd in control of the domain?
18:33:37 < brabo> rasengan: yeah and maybe no one is interested in what you want to feel you have control over, last of it being this network? ;)
18:33:37 <@rasengan> joepie91: No.
18:33:40 < rorx> is the contention here mostly about a lack of transparency?
18:33:41 < joepie91> I mean, it was your own words that the problem was that you had control
18:33:53 < joepie91> rasengan: okay, why not?
18:33:55 < brabo> you are white-knighting
18:34:04 < MIF> brabo: what?
18:34:10 <@rasengan> joepie91: It wasn't just me, but rather the problem is that individuals CAN have control of the network.
18:34:14 <@rasengan> I simply wish to decentralize that control.
18:34:22 < brabo> playing the white knight in shining armor here to save us all poorly oppressed
18:34:27 < MIF> rasengan: as far was we know the STAFF are in control
18:34:28 <@rasengan> brabo: haha
18:34:29 < MIF> not you
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18:34:37 < Tamara> you have it and you're deliberately maintaining it
18:34:44 < Tamara> this 'decentralise' talk is hogwash
18:34:45 <@rasengan> brabo: Either way you can think what you want.  There's a lot of people in here sort of attacking me without really letting me get any words in so it might appear a certain way.
18:34:47 <@rasengan> But the truth will come out.
18:34:51 < brabo> and before today most had never heard about you, and if they did, there was nothing good in what they heard
18:34:58 < MIF> ^
18:35:00 <@rasengan> brabo: ok.
18:35:02 < joepie91> rasengan: last I checked, the network was controlled by many parties already, not a single one, and so this is a non-issue - the only issue being that the domain specifically was controlled by you, as someone who is not actually involved in network operations, and that problem has since been rectified
18:35:02 < Tamara> I'd prefer that control were ceded to a completely random person in here rather than *you* having it
18:35:12 <@rasengan> joepie91: That's not true.
18:35:18 <@rasengan> Tamara: Oh, okay.
18:35:20 <@rasengan> Noted.
18:35:24 < JimBuntu> Tamara: dibs
18:35:30 < brabo> so keep trying to play your power games. best case scenario you'll have a shiny empty irc network with no one there as your own little feifdom
18:35:31 < Tamara> auction time!
18:35:33 < joepie91> rasengan: what's "not true" about it, exactly?
18:35:37 <@rasengan> Power?
18:35:38 < brabo> plus a shitload of gdpr delete requests to handle
18:35:39 < FLHerne> rasengan: Decentralise it into what? Clearly a company with one director, who by your own admission hasn't been closely involved in running the network until now, isn't going to be seen as decentralised
18:35:43 < MIF> Tamara: 100 Million dollers
18:35:43 <@rasengan> IRC and power don't exactly coincide together.
18:35:45 < joepie91> Tamara: I bid three wrongly-namespaced channels
18:35:51 < MIF> rasengan: ever heard of a OP
18:35:52 < Tamara> joepie91: oooooooh now that's a tempting oine
18:35:54 < brabo> rasengan: and yet here we are, eh?
18:35:56 < MIF> what about the @ by your name
18:36:12 < MIF> Tamara: I bid 5 
18:36:22 < brabo> MIF: i bid 6
18:36:30 < MIF> 100
18:36:33 < Tamara> decentralisation, in general, is a good ideal, but I think here it plays second fiddle to the fact that if one person controls it, it shouldn't be one person who's obviously lying
18:36:34 < joepie91> I bid an exclusive ~ mode
18:36:39 < joepie91> <joepie91> rasengan: what's "not true" about it, exactly?
18:36:52 < moonshin1> to me this just seems like naming rights issue. i don't want to think cynically that someone wants to stick a sponsor labels all over everything, but the endgame isn't transparent
18:37:02 < Tamara> exclusive ~ vs the number 5 oh now this is hard to decide on
18:37:04 < Tamara> any more bids?
18:37:15 < milehigh-> tell me about your plans about decentralizing, because i too am for that sort of thing, if done right.
18:37:25 < moonshin1> but if it is just about who controls the name, the users just defect to another network
18:37:27 < MIF> Tamara: 5 servers + 5 channels that are named wrong and 5 million Bitcoin
18:37:31 < joepie91> Tamara: I think rasengan has some o-line bribes to offer
18:37:35 < MIF> and if I get a O line rasengan will be the first to go
18:37:36 < FLHerne> rasengan: Tomaw had control by consent of the many ops who've actually been running the network for the last decade; whether or not that aligns with how you see the legal ownership, it seems much more in line with "decentralised community control"
18:37:46 < milehigh-> and why are you saying you've donated millions with nothing to back yourself up? why not get to the point and explain what you're trying to do so we UNDERSTAND WHAT/WHO the fuck you are
18:37:48 < brabo> joepie91: he has, but only if you can manage to believe him!
18:38:15 < Tamara> MIF: idk what would i do with that many bitcoins, melt them down? nah, joepie91 takes this one with the oline bribes
18:38:22 < joepie91> milehigh-: far as I can tell, Freenode already *is* decentralized to the degree to which that is technically possible, and the claims about "wanting to decentralized Freenode" are nothing but hot air meant to disguise an attempt at taking over
18:38:30 < brabo> also, just to say: a donation means you do not own the monies anymore, or have any say in what happens with it..
18:38:33 < Tamara> now who can do better than some oline bribes vote now on your phones
18:38:44 < slimdaddy> “If I was the one running the USSR instead of Stalin, I would have brought in the utopia and not murdered millions of people” > give me power over freenode because I’ll make it decentralized 
18:38:54 < slimdaddy> yeah ok bud
18:38:55 < milehigh-> joepie91: right
18:39:00 < joepie91> and, crucially, it wasn't rasengan who accomplished that existing degree of decentralization
18:39:03 < milehigh-> that's why i want him to SPLAIN, LUCY
18:39:12 < moonshin1> usually donors who are in the 6 zeros club expect to get a seat at some kind of table
18:39:14 < Tamara> freenode's glorious leader with sole control promises democracy, and I say, maybe we should believe him
18:39:20 < MIF> but Tamara my first kline would be rasengan 
18:39:23 < MIF> :(
18:39:29 < joepie91> milehigh-: right, just wanted to make sure his empty promises were not mistaken for legitimate ideals :)
18:39:34 < milehigh-> indeed 
18:39:42 < brabo> Tamara: yeah, those people always are to be believed
18:39:49 < brabo> nothing could ever go wrong there
18:39:51 < Tamara> brabo: exactly, glad we're on the same page
18:39:59 < Tamara> all hail our new god emperor
18:39:59 <@rasengan> I think you all have a really big misunderstanding of how IRC networks work.  Freenode is far from decentralized.
18:40:01 < slimdaddy> cant even write multiple sentences without frantic typos, nor coherent arguments. Not to mention passive aggressive and snide remarks, while threatening staff as well 
18:40:02 < brabo> he's just saving us from the evil opers
18:40:02 <@rasengan> And that's the problem.
18:40:04 < milehigh-> I heard every corporate takeover of an entity has always gone well 
18:40:11 < brabo> e.g. white-knighting
18:40:13 < Tamara> oh right so the problem with irc networks is irc
18:40:16 < milehigh-> nothing corrupt of bad ever happened when they come all secretively and shadily
18:40:23 < wright> can you try to take over matrix instead so you can kill that instead
18:40:25 < milehigh-> or*
18:40:31 < milehigh-> wright: lol 
18:40:34 < wright> if you're so hot on decentralisation
18:40:36 <@rasengan> moonshin1: You can see I've donated to so many orgs and never asked for a board seat so that doesn't apply here.
18:40:40 < brabo> wright: oh all you need to do is get matthew alone in a dark room
18:40:42 < rorx> what are the network assets? I thought all servers which, I would think is the great majority of the assets, are owned by those respected volunteers who wish to provide connectivity. beyond that, the network provides staff that controls those servers "IRC and up" and that's it.. so beyond staff choices, what else about it is "centralized"?
18:40:44 < slimdaddy> eat shit rasengan, simp somewhere else or make your own foss on matrix 
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18:40:53 < Tamara> oh right cool so donating to other things entitles you to fuck over this one
18:40:56 <@rasengan> no
18:41:11 < brabo> Tamara: nono, you forgot, he's just saving us
18:41:12 <@rasengan> I'm just giving an example to what moonshin1 said as it relates to donors expecting board seats.  I don't.
18:41:14 < moonshin1> rasengan: do you have a list of your donations somewhere?  sorry if i missed that somewhere
18:41:15 < MIF> rasengan: I demand that you answer this
18:41:15 < milehigh-> What's the end game here? 
18:41:17 < Tamara> having money and doing different things with it under different circumstances doesn't say anything to us
18:41:17 < joepie91> rasengan: hi, I ran an IRC network, have helped rearchitect another to mitigate significant abuse issues, and know multiple of the Freenode opers personally. I think I might have a bit of a clue about how IRC networks work
18:41:17 < MIF> 11. I get a lawyer and tomaw says he understands and is sorry etc
18:41:19 < MIF> and sends me a letter.
18:41:22 < brabo> sooper dooper cereal you guys!
18:41:32 < MIF> what letter
18:41:33 <@rasengan> moonshin1: No, I don't keep track.  However, I'm sure if you ask any of the orgs they'll tell you?
18:41:34 < Tamara> nah what would joe pie 91 know here
18:41:42 < Tamara> joe pie ninety one what kind of a name even is that
18:41:43 < zoite> rasengan, if you donate to me i will say nothing but nice things about you
18:41:54 <@rasengan> eff, gnome, fftf, krita, apache, sf freedom conservancy, etc.? ;o
18:41:55 < moonshin1> rasengan: have you donated to oftc, offhand?
18:41:57 < milehigh-> damn joepie91 drop the mic 
18:42:04 < MIF> I don't accept bribes
18:42:04 <@rasengan> moonshin1 offered it but never did it since nobody responded
18:42:11 < milehigh-> lol
18:42:20 < brabo> Tamara: hahaha right, who ever heard of joe pie before?
18:42:22 < milehigh-> frankly maybe you should listen and answer joepie91  
18:42:24 < brabo> joepie91: ;)
18:42:28 < zoite> i DO accept bribes, if anyone is offering
18:42:29 < Tamara> brabo: joe pie more like joe mama
18:42:31 < Tamara> fucking gottem
18:42:32 < milehigh-> to what joepie91 is saying i mean *
18:42:38 <@rasengan> joepie91 Great. I know you know IRC.
18:42:44 < MIF> and Please note that if rasengan every says that he controls Sturtz Network or Sturtz IRC he is ling 
18:42:45 < Tamara> i'll happily take bribes in units of 100k eur
18:42:49 < milehigh-> great, we dont know that YOU do. rasengan 
18:42:52 < Tamara> i think this calls for five bribes
18:42:59 < milehigh-> fucking arrogance this of this asshole 
18:43:00 < wright> sorry rasengan was that "[..] relates to donors expecting board seats.  I don't."
18:43:03 <@rasengan> milehigh : maybe i dont.
18:43:05 < brabo> i want ten or no dice
18:43:07 < milehigh-> obviously
18:43:12 < moonshin1> rasengan: that's cool if you have. if you have relationships with people at eff, it would make sense to ask them for an opinion on this situation
18:43:15 < joepie91> rasengan: great, so then we can conclude that your earlier claim that we must misunderstand IRC if we believe Freenode is decentralized, is false
18:43:15 < wright> 17:54:16 < rasengan> Hey Freenode Staff!  Hope you're well.  A message from the official board of Freenode Limited, owner of the freenode IRC network: [...]
18:43:24 <@rasengan> moonshin1: I don't want to pull people into this but you can if you wish to
18:43:32 < Tamara> the sheer arrogance is p cool i for one trust someone like this running things
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18:43:58 < brabo> rasengan: well, those orgs you claim, it can be verified ;)
18:43:59 < moonshin1> rasengan: i'm not a party to this dispute
18:44:00 < milehigh-> me too
18:44:10 <@rasengan> brabo: yes it can.
18:44:13 < Tamara> all I really know about this is how I've seen you act and you act like a slimy fucker
18:44:15 <@rasengan> moonshin1: feel free.
18:44:19 < milehigh-> ooh are we verifying things
18:44:20 < wright> another one andrew can you confirm this is your account https://twitter.com/2drewlee/status/1346599349183135744/
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18:44:26 < milehigh-> LET'S VERIFY PLEASE 
18:44:27 <@rasengan> thats not my account wright
18:44:29 <@rasengan> i dont have twitter.
18:44:34 < brabo> hah
18:44:36 < brabo> right
18:44:41 <@rasengan> ...
18:44:48 < launchd> so who wants to impersonate you then
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18:44:54 <@rasengan> nobody's impoersonating me.
18:44:56 <@rasengan> thats a different person.
18:45:02 < Tamara> multiple people can be called andrew lee and be assholes
18:45:04 < Tamara> eesh
18:45:08 < launchd> hmm
18:45:18 < MIF> oh hey launchd 
18:45:27 < wright> sorry andrew are there 2 andrew lees that work for handshake
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18:45:31 < wright> if this isn't an impersonation account
18:45:45 <@rasengan> wright: yes.
18:45:54 < MIF> HAHAHA Sure
18:45:58 < Tamara> are you sure it's not more andrew lees than that
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18:46:06 < moonshin1> rasengan: i mean it would be nice to have actual lawyers give an informed opinion here (eff particularly) but since i'm not party to this or a major eff donor, my ask isn't going to get much traction
18:46:08 <@rasengan> Tamara: I answered his specific question.
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18:46:13 < Tamara> awful lot of andrew lees around these days
18:46:35 < MIF> rasengan: you sill did not answer mine
18:47:12 <@rasengan> what letter? is that what youre asking
18:47:22 < zoite> is doxxing allowed on freenode? i thought it was frowned upon
18:47:37 < brabo> Tamara: mr andrew lee - Found 1807 similar entities from 24 datasets 
18:47:43 < Tamara> who's doxing who?
18:47:47 < slinger> it’s not allowed
18:47:47 < joepie91> rorx: you are basically correct, by the way. the freenode servers are physically operated by those organizations which sponsor them, though the system administration side is handled by the team of freenode opers, which consists of multiple people. the only really centralized part here, as far as I can tell, is the domain - which is unavoidable, that's how the domain name system works, and so the more important
18:47:47 < joepie91> question is *who* has control over that. and it seems clear to me that the answer is "not this guy"
18:47:50 < Tamara> brabo: damn
18:48:05 < brabo> that's from occrp
18:48:56 < MIF> rasengan: 1) how did you come to your "power" 2) Where is this "proposel" 3) Can we see a copy of the letter you sent? 4) why has most of freenode staff not heard of you 5) what is your favorite food
18:49:11 < joepie91> rorx: s/who has control over that/who should have control over that/
18:49:24 < joepie91> though right now it doesn't make a difference, since he's locked out
18:50:06 < MIF> how so?
18:50:10 < zoite> joepie91, well it sounds like at some point rasengan *did* have control over the domain
18:50:14 <@rasengan> 1) i have no power 2) its in gdocs and dated, cant be faked 3) yes soon like i said it will be today currentlyl there are other things taking place 4) they all (all the ones from pre 2021) 5) probably kalbee tang.
18:50:16 < zoite> so why did he have control and why was it taken away
18:50:34 < Tamara> the strong consensus here seems to be that he should not have control, if we're going to talk about decentralisation that seems like a good start
18:50:51 < joepie91> zoite: correct, at one point he did have control over the domain. that is no longer the case as he was locked out, apparently by an oper.
18:50:51 <@rasengan> https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/f569c5e4727d21eb939fff99cb9dc84c
18:50:54 < MIF> rasengan: then send it to me and gdocs can me  faked
18:51:05 < zoite> right but why, what did he do to warrant that
18:51:07 < wright> "i have no power" < rasengan> Fuchs: The freenode limited board does not recognize you as a volunteer or any staff or operator of freenode.  Please remove yourself from ops and operator status.  Thank you.
18:51:16 < zoite> we are missing some important details here
18:51:41 <@rasengan> there are things you have all said and asked that youre going to be in disagreement with me.  but after you read tha tlatter at least some of the falsehoods are answered and we can be more constructive.
18:51:51 < Tamara> That looks like a letter written on the back of legal threats
18:51:56 < brabo> rasengan: ah so, an error happens and you start sending your lawyers on the case?
18:51:57 < joepie91> zoite: oh, lots of details are missing here for sure. though mainly on rasengan's side
18:51:57 < Tamara> am I meant to think better of you for it
18:52:00 < wright> < rasengan> As I'm sure you have taken the time now to digest the messages -- as you all know, I am the man of second, third, and infinite chances.  I love this world, I love freenode and I'm going to continue doing everything I can to stay true to who I have strived to be.  This won't make me waiver.  If any current or former staff wishes to talk this
18:52:05 < slinger> falsehoods answered with more falsehoods?
18:52:06 < brabo> still looking like the bad guy here ;)
18:52:10 <@rasengan> tamara: it was a legal letter sent and he responded with his lawyer one way
18:52:14 <@rasengan> and then he separate sent that to me.
18:52:27 < MIF> rasengan: do you have any soicils
18:52:27 < Tamara> lol
18:52:36 < brabo> ofc someone will lawyer up if you use your lawyers to send letters instead of talking to them..
18:52:41 <@rasengan> zoite; i showed u the origiunal msg
18:52:43 < wright> rasengan: so you're engaged with tomaw through lawyers?
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18:52:48 < MIF> hey catgirl 
18:52:50 <@rasengan> that took place april 3 or whatever when he attempted to cease access to the domains.
18:52:51 < MIF> err hey CTech 
18:52:55 < CTech> hi
18:53:06 <@rasengan> wright: tomaws lawyers are engaged with my lawyers whi;le tomaw and i have continued discussion somewhat separately.
18:53:12 < CTech> o/ rasengan
18:53:16 <@rasengan> hey ctech!
18:53:22 < CTech> sup dude :]
18:53:23 < wright> why are you fucking up #freenode
18:53:24 < slinger> and what exactly is the point of that?
18:53:25 < joepie91> rasengan: that's generally the very first thing that a lawyer will tell you not to do.
18:53:25 < wright> are you lawyers mad
18:53:29 < wright> your*
18:53:33 < joepie91> like, literally
18:53:37 < slinger> ^
18:53:42 < joepie91> the first thing
18:53:43 < brabo> joepie91: indeed
18:53:56 < wright> rasengan: can you clarify - how long have your lawyers been engaging freenode (via tomaw)
18:54:01 <@rasengan> joepie91: yeah but he decided to engage w/ me - i have no issue engaging.
18:54:03 < wright> i'd like a date
18:54:09 < brabo> there are 0 good reasons to keep talking outside lawyers
18:54:17 < brabo> unless you are after something else ofc
18:54:27 <@rasengan> the reason i had to speak was because libera chat and the resignation letters happened.
18:54:29 < slinger> i think they're after more control
18:54:35 <@rasengan> i couldnt let freenode go.  i didnt want to fracture the irc world more than it already is.
18:54:45 < moonshin1> the question i have is whether tomaw was representing oftc or himself
18:54:49 < slinger> shitting one network just wasn't enough
18:54:50 < brabo> and so you decide to.. try and fracture it? :)
18:54:55 < Tamara> If you don't want to fracture IRC then get tae fuck eh
18:54:55 <@rasengan> no im not fracturing it.
18:55:04 < brabo> you do seem to be trying hard enough
18:55:09 < Anastasius> It's sort of self-fracturing, he didn't have to do anything.
18:55:10 <@rasengan> im trying to be a good custodian and bring this to a decentralized entity.
18:55:14 < joepie91> rasengan: yes, because it is totally normal for a group of dedicated volunteers to leave the place that they've been maintaining for years, for absolutely no reason whatsoever...
18:55:15 < zoite> rasengan, so the access was revoked from you by mistake and you are wanting to create a decentralized way to handle domain ownership to avoid it in the future?
18:55:17 < slinger> do you realize the chaos you're causing and the stress you're causing in good people's lives?
18:55:17 < brabo> a good custodian>/
18:55:20 <@rasengan> the libera chat and resignation letters were in action. the net is up. people are on it.
18:55:26 < brabo> what do you think you are to this community?
18:55:32 < brabo> our saviour?
18:55:33 < Tamara> As far as I can tell, if you were not involved, there would not be a problem here
18:55:36 < zoite> i'm just trying to piece the puzzle together but you're giving us details backwards
18:55:41 < joepie91> rasengan: how about you tell us *why* opers have prepared resignation letters
18:56:00 < wright> circling back - how long have your lawyers been engaging tomaw?
18:56:23 < pgimeno> gosh, it's déjà vu all over again...
18:56:25 <@rasengan> wright: since tomaw threatened us. thats when we stopped talking to him. without going into detail. (it will come out)
18:56:33 < Tamara> it will come out!!
18:56:36 < wright> i'd like that information now please
18:56:39 < wright> that's an allegation
18:56:40 < joepie91> ah yes, hypothetical evidence again
18:56:44 < moonshin1> he threatened as who, himself or oftc?
18:56:46 < slinger> what exactly did tomaw threaten you with
18:56:47 < Tamara> hahahahaha now we're back into the 'just trust me' territory huh
18:56:52 < wright> i'd like you to tell me when tomaw threatened you and how he threatened you
18:56:52 < brabo> Tamara: it will happen! hey, i seem to have seen a certain Q saying that the whole time!
18:57:04 < Tamara> brabo: the day will come!!!
18:57:10 < brabo> next week!
18:57:21 < slinger> and preferably some hard evidence to support your claims
18:57:27 < brabo> and it will be "big"!
18:57:29 < Tamara> FIND OUT IN NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE OF RASENGAN
18:57:32 < zoite> i wish i could hear the story from start to finish, not fragments at a time in random order. 
18:57:44 < zoite> i feel like UDP
18:57:50 < moonshin1> i'm first trying to ascertain whether oftc has a role in this or if it was just tomaw v lee v freenode opers
18:58:03 < joepie91> lmao
18:58:16 < brabo> zoite: i know a joke about that. i could tell you, but you might not get it..
18:58:25 < zoite> brabo, you probably wouldn't care either
18:58:37 <@rasengan> moonshin1: oftc does not have a role in this.
18:58:37 < Anastasius> I feel like I should be wearing my fedora, sunglasses, and trenchcoat even reading this.
18:58:45 < milehigh-> you aren't?
18:58:51 < moonshin1> rasengan: thanks for clearing that up
18:58:53 < milehigh-> 👀
18:58:54 < Tamara> ah the trenchcoat is essential equipment
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18:59:04 < brabo> the fedora better be black though
18:59:14 < Tamara> ah mine is actually purple, is that likely to be a problem?
18:59:14 < Anastasius> Maybe a raincoat instead, I think things are going to get messy.
18:59:18 < milehigh-> wow we're being all blackhatted now 
18:59:30 < brabo> Tamara: does it at least have a tint of grey?
18:59:34  * milehigh- wraps tin foil around her head
18:59:48  * milehigh- puts the fedora over it
18:59:51 < Anastasius> Ever been in the front row of a Gallagher watermelon smashing festival? That's what this is like.
18:59:56 < zoite> i don't even really understand how you ever had a part in owning the domain at all rasengan 
19:00:00 < milehigh-> cept with bodies?
19:00:03 < zoite> why was it given to you in the first place?
19:00:04 < milehigh-> or egos
19:00:28 < wright> rasengan: i'll check in again later for proof of tomaw threatening you
19:00:37 < milehigh-> somehow i vaguely recall the nick rasengan but maybe i was wrong, but i recall him being a little shit then too 
19:00:57 < Tamara> I'm sure he's working on writing tomaw's threats to him as we speak
19:01:06 < brabo> rasengan: have you ever heard of occams razor?
19:01:08 < milehigh-> yeah i want to know what happened there 
19:01:10 < Anastasius> Spelled backwards it's Nagnesar.
19:02:12 < brabo> milehigh-: that corresponds to thing i hear
19:02:15 < brabo> *things
19:02:24 <@rasengan> zoite: Freenode limited is why
19:02:28 <@rasengan> wright: Understood
19:02:33 < rorx> rasengan: you said earlier that you felt compelled to take action to prevent further fracturing of IRC.. why did you feel Freenode was in danger of itself, fracturing?
19:02:37 <@rasengan> milehigh-: ahh.  i hope im not lol
19:02:40 <@rasengan> brabo: yes
19:02:49 < brabo> rasengan: why don't you take your fancy ltd and place it somewhere dark
19:02:52 < Anastasius> Freenode LTD. Will you put out a line of handbags and stuff?
19:03:06 < [[> What's freenode ltd?
19:03:07 < Tamara> looking forward to getting a fashionable freenode ltd hoodie
19:03:19 < Tamara> thinking of renaming to leenode? it's got a ring to it
19:03:38 < brabo> rasengan: and why do you not share the stolen mt gox coins with us? we'll for sure take that bribe ;)
19:03:39 <@rasengan> rorx: There was a takeover attempt of the assets and ownership of freenode that wasn't adding up which I rebutted with the request to decentralize which was given 0 attention.  All focus was on the domain specifically.
19:03:46 < moonshin1> i personally would not be opposed to a funding model based on merch, as opposed to super wealthy benefactors and/or server donors. but that's not likely to happen
19:05:37 < joepie91> rasengan: a 'takeover' that was prompted by what?
19:05:58 < Tamara> sources: just trust me
19:06:21 < joepie91> rasengan: and how, exactly, are we supposed to believe that you're our saviour from a hostile takeover, when pretty much the entire oper team has said "no, fuck off" to you?
19:07:24 < brabo> rasengan: and why was London Trust Media Holdings incorporated in brazil? was that to scoot off any ill-gotten gains?
19:07:27 < Anastasius> Isn't that what they would do though?
19:07:32 < Anastasius> Circle the wagons?
19:08:01 < Tamara> the 'decentralisation' shite is a bit funny thinking about it, there's some underlying delusion that it's an ideal in its own right rather than something with any actual purpose
19:08:09 < Tamara> the point of decentralisation is to remove power from slimy fuckers
19:09:08 < brabo> Tamara: it's the same buzzword cryptoscammers like to use
19:09:19 < brabo> not unlike some twitter account someone linked
19:10:25 < rorx> rasengan: so, when you say "freenode assets", it sounds like you see this asf mostly limited to the domain name. Is that fair? Care to expound on this takeover threat; and for that matter, how your plans to "decentralize" it will improve matters? Simply a reorganization of an organization that stands for Freenode? If so, how would that be organized different than it has been.. a more democratic process, steering committee, etc? How doe
19:10:25 < rorx> s that differ from what we have now?
19:11:01 < brabo> rorx: it is different because then he'd be malevolent dictator for life
19:11:05 < moonshin1> it's impossible to truly decentralize irc without massive protocol changes. it always goes back to dns
19:11:29 < moonshin1> which is where we are now
19:11:33 < moonshin1> freenode.net and what happens with it
19:11:36 < rorx> brabo: I want to hear their perspective on the matter.. 
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19:12:03 < brabo> rorx: me too. and a response about sharing those mt gox coins!
19:12:29 < joepie91> I mean, we've been asking about their perspective for the past several hours, and all the difficult questions somehow seem to not get answered :)
19:12:41 < rorx> moonshin1: and that's fine, I think, as long as the organization which owns the domain is serving in the best interest of the network's interests.
19:12:46 < brabo> joepie91: that is still the deflect of darvo
19:12:48 < joepie91> though they certainly have answers for the questions where they think they can get away with making a positive impression
19:12:53 < MIF> rasengan: is this you ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur)
19:13:02 < brabo> joepie91: i think they used all of those but it didn't work
19:13:16 < joepie91> oh, I'm well familiar with darvo :)
19:13:18 < zoite> rasengan, i'm just curious, do you have plans to move freenode to your vps company?
19:13:23 < joepie91> not my first rodeo :P
19:13:26 < rorx> -interests
19:13:58 < brabo> MIF: pia, mt gox, no bday (that would have been a final nail) but looks right
19:16:27 < brabo> rasengan: and how about all this? https://searx.info/search?q=mark+karpeles+andrew+lee&category_general=on&time_range=&language=en-US
19:17:07 < MIF> lol
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19:18:46 < brabo> and whitewashing hiring convicted crypto thieves.. https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/why-i-hired-mt-gox-ex-ceo-mark-karpeles-as-cto-of-london-trust-media/
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19:23:50 < brabo> and merging with such trusted entity as kape technologies, who "only" developped browser toolbars loaded with malware when they were still going by the name of crossrider sport
19:23:57 < brabo> we are clearly in good company here
19:25:36 < zoite> rasengan, if you are looking for a scapegoat I will take a couple million to take the hate on your behalf
19:26:07 < brabo> zoite: i'll gladly take all of the mt gox coins, if only he doesn't expect that donation to give him full control over me!
19:26:33 < zoite> well, he would want the control of you to be decentralized 
19:26:44 < rorx> there's clearly a sensitivity to the IRC network (for most IRC networks, for that matter), being influenced, much less controlled by, corporate interests; this is echoed in the resignation letters I've read from staff as well. That's understandable, the philosophy and values behind what started this network some 2 decades ago, were opposed to corporate interest. That was easy to do at at the time, as there was not much corporate intere
19:26:44 < rorx> st to speak of on the 'net. So,… the question is, how now, some 2 decades later, in this now, pervasively corporate-biased internet, is it possible to run this network without corporate support. This seems to be the challenge for all of us who use and appreciate the network, have to work together to commit to defending and maintaining.
19:26:55 < brabo> rasengan: also, did you pay anyone for the crown prince title? if we're all about openness and honesty here..
19:27:08 < Tamara> crown prince?
19:27:08 < joepie91> rorx: it's actually running fine, that's the thing
19:27:25 < deceit> man, i was gonna make a sandwich, but i think i should make some popcorn
19:27:26 < joepie91> like, there are no operational issues
19:27:39 < brabo> Tamara: On 6 October 2018, Yi Seok, son of Prince Yi Kang (the fifth son of Emperor Gojong of Korea), nominated Lee as a "Crown Prince" of Korea, claiming that he is a descendant of the House of Yi, the ruling royal house of Korea during the Joseon dynasty, which lasted until 1897.
19:27:50 < joepie91> the infastructure is provided by sponsors
19:27:54 < Tamara> ahahahahaha
19:28:05 < brabo> Tamara: he did invite us to dig for dirt, right?
19:28:14 < Tamara> yeah from sponsors pov this is a pretty good deal
19:30:54 <@rasengan> joepie91: a take over after christel resigned, they are all kinda in on it or misled
19:31:03 <@rasengan> brabo: ltmh was in brazil due to a brazilian mma league
19:31:28 <@rasengan> tamara: i agree with you description of decentralization even if you mean to say im a slimy fucker. 
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19:31:51 < Tamara> to avoid all doubt, yes, that is what I mean to say
19:32:10 < wright> rasengan: checking in on that tomaw threat bit
19:32:13 < brabo> rasengan: oh that sounds like a good explanation.. or is it?
19:32:27 < rorx> joepie91: then what role does "Shells" and previously "Private Internet Access" have? Those sound like corporations to me. How does Freenode's charter, if any, specify how much of a role and restrictions those types of sponsors have on Freenode? The fact that there is contention over domain management, tells me that this charter isn't very well defined.
19:32:27 <@rasengan> rorx: youre spot on with the decentralization and a description... and it differs from today, yes.
19:32:33 < brabo> why do you need to incorporate there because of an mma league?
19:32:40 < MIF> rasengan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur)
19:33:04 <@rasengan> MIF: that is me
19:33:07 <@rasengan> zoite: no re vps
19:33:08 < Tamara> Crown prince of Korea (disputed)
19:33:23 < MIF> can you prove it?
19:33:27 < brabo> Tamara: crown prince of freenode (disputed)
19:33:41 <@rasengan> brabo: i dont have the coins you speak of and dont know what youre talking about.
19:33:45 < Tamara> crown prince of freenode [1]
19:33:53 <@rasengan> brabo: I'm a descendant. did not pay obviously.
19:33:53 < brabo> rasengan: i am sure you don't
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19:33:56 < MIF> [1]flase
19:33:57 < Tamara> [1] proof forthcoming any day now
19:34:02 < brabo> and i am sure you didn't
19:34:03  * Manouchehri grabs popcorn
19:34:04 < joepie91> <rasengan> joepie91: a take over after christel resigned, they are all kinda in on it or misled
19:34:05 < joepie91> okay, so hold on, let me get this right - "they are all kinda in on it". you're trying to say that this is a conspiracy of the oper team to do a hostile takeover of... the network that is run by the oper team?
19:34:12 < [[> crown prince of freenode[citation needed]
19:34:13 < brabo> also pigs fly and the earth is actually flat!
19:34:18 < joepie91> please explain to me how that makes literally any sense at all?
19:34:21 < wright> I've found a remarkable proof of this fact, but there is not enough space in the margin
19:34:32 < MIF> [[++
19:34:42 <@rasengan> rorx: the logos were placed due to sponsorships moneys arriving to freenode limited.
19:34:43 < Tamara> wright: you know I still think this was a practical joke
19:34:44 < brabo> wright: i will just believe you then!
19:35:01 < Tamara> the sponsorship money arriving to freenode limited
19:35:07 < Tamara> wait hang on isn't that the one you own
19:35:09 < MIF> rasengan: I still don't trust uou 
19:35:12 < MIF> rasengan: I still don't trust you
19:35:17 < MIF> I don't care who you are
19:35:26 < wright> i have great proof for this conspiracy but i cant tell you right now, i'm busy bribing people with olines
19:35:29 < Tamara> The disputed crown prince of korea is who he is
19:35:41 < Manouchehri> Is there a more recent balance sheet? https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history
19:35:48 < joepie91> no but really, I want to know how this works, how one does a hostile takeover of a thing they already run
19:36:06 < Tamara> for the low price of one oline and 50k eur i will write one (1) statement of very vague support for andrew lee on freenode
19:36:08 <@rasengan> tamara: owning doesnt mean operating.
19:36:16 < wright> the company's house accounts seem to disagree with your funding
19:36:19 < brabo> 21:35:01 < Tamara> the sponsorship money arriving to freenode limited
19:36:29 < brabo> oh are those the monies he donated to the project then?
19:36:42 < MIF> the billions
19:36:47 < Tamara> trillions probablyu
19:36:51 < brabo> *quadrillions by now
19:36:55 < joepie91> brabo: to the company, which he also owns :^)
19:37:02 < MIF> exactly
19:37:11 < brabo> joepie91: do i smell money laundering scheme?
19:37:14 <@rasengan> wright: i was not in operation.
19:37:22 < wright> not in operation of what?
19:37:23 <@rasengan> so i cant control what was reported.
19:37:30 < wright> majority stakeholder?
19:37:30 < MIF> so you bought a non-profit grou[
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19:37:32 < Tamara> so the argument is he gave millions to a company which under his watch then disappeared the money?
19:37:33 <@rasengan> i dont have the code to update companies house wright.
19:37:34 < wright> bit weird
19:37:39 <@rasengan> that was in the operations hands. not mine.
19:37:44 < wright> who's?
19:37:47 < wright> who is operations
19:37:47 < joepie91> Tamara: that seems to be more or less it, yes
19:38:07 <@rasengan> the freenode staff that has signed volunteer forms.
19:38:13 < Manouchehri> MIF: I don't know UK law as much, but Freenode Limited looks like a for-profit corp?
19:38:15 < Tamara> joepie91: seems like whoever owns this company needs a good talking to
19:38:35 < eeeeeta> rasengan: there are forms the staff sign?
19:38:35 < joepie91> rasengan: I'm sorry, are you claiming that a bunch of unpaid volunteers are responsible for doing the official filings with companies house of the company that you own?
19:38:38 < brabo> rasengan: how did you get involved with shells.com?
19:38:44 < wright> rasengan: sorry - what volunteer forms?
19:39:03 < MIF> brabo: he is shells.net
19:39:06 < wright> > Last accounts made up to 31 August 2018
19:39:06 < MIF> brabo: he is shells.com
19:39:08 < MIF> or something
19:39:10 <@rasengan> joepie91: no
19:39:17 < CTech> shells.net
19:39:19 < CTech> :)
19:39:24 < MIF> SHUT UP CTech 
19:39:25 < Tamara> so who is responsible for filing?
19:39:26 < brabo> ah so he is the lame ass who started his carreer on freenode spamming all the established shell services irc channels???
19:39:31 < CTech> ?
19:39:36 <@rasengan> tamara: the head of staff
19:39:39 < wright> when were these volunteer forms sent out, why do volunteers need to sign them, why are volunteers in charge of keeping *your* accounts up to date
19:39:41 < CTech> i'm just correcting you lol
19:39:42 < brabo> or was that you CTech ?
19:39:47 < CTech> ?
19:39:49 < CTech> no
19:39:53 < brabo> good
19:39:59 < CTech> why would you think its me? lol
19:40:03 < zoite> brabo, he owns private internet access
19:40:03 < Tamara> wait hang on isn't the head of staff also an unpaid volunteer
19:40:03 < MIF> CTech: has been bought by rasengan 
19:40:09 < zoite> i think his brother owns shells
19:40:10 <@rasengan> zoite: i dont own pia
19:40:12 < CTech> i have?
19:40:13 -!- notif [60e05662@96.224.86.98] has joined #freenode-staff-discussion [realname https://webchat.freenode.net]
19:40:13 < zoite> oh
19:40:15 < wright> christel worked for andrew as far as i know
19:40:18 < joepie91> Tamara: I think so?
19:40:31 <@rasengan> tamara: head of staff is paid
19:40:34 < Manouchehri> zoite: rasengan sold his remaining stake in PIA in 2020. https://investors.kape.com/~/media/Files/K/Kape-IR/reports-and-presentations/2021/annual-report-2020.pdf
19:40:45 < zoite> oh ok
19:41:07 < zoite> i was just going off his wikipedia, i guess it needs updated
19:41:08 < joepie91> rasengan: you still haven't answered my question, by the way, of how exactly it works when an oper team does a hostile takeover of their own network
19:41:23 < MIF> ^
19:41:26 < MIF> rasengan: answer
19:41:31 < CTech> ask one question at a time
19:41:38 < MIF> CTech: 
19:41:40 < CTech> might be easier
19:41:40 < MIF> shut up
19:41:41 < CTech> :)
19:41:42 < CTech> no
19:41:43 <@rasengan> joepie91: the oper team consists of volunteers of freenode limited.
19:41:43 < wright> rasengan: any update on the tomaw threat allegation?
19:41:51 < CTech> don't tell me to shutup :)
19:41:52 < Tamara> lol
19:42:02 < brabo> yeah the same kape that under name of crossrider sport dev'ed browser toolbars loaded with malware yep
19:42:16 < Tamara> so the central argument here is that it's a hostile takeover because they're acting against your wishes in the role of being an owner of a company which owns the domain
19:42:20 < joepie91> rasengan: that is not what I asked
19:42:48 -!- wright changed the topic of #freenode-staff-discussion to: crown prince gets owned 1993 recolored
19:42:55 < MIF> lol
19:42:58 -!- rasengan changed the topic of #freenode-staff-discussion to: #freenode-staff-discussion +tn
19:43:00 < MIF> wright++
19:43:02 <@rasengan> oops
19:43:03 < notif> lmao cope
19:43:03 < Tamara> +tn
19:43:06 -!- mode/#freenode-staff-discussion [+t] by rasengan
19:43:06 < wright> man
19:43:08 <@rasengan> lol
19:43:09 < wright> im glad you're going to run freenode
19:43:11 < slinger> nice one
19:43:12 <@rasengan> same diff
19:43:15 < brabo> wright++
19:43:18 < wright> glad you know how to operate a fucking network
19:43:20 < zoite> now there's a hostile takeover of the channel topic
19:43:24 < MIF> wright++
19:43:25 < Tamara> irc network lee is gonna save us all
19:43:25 < brabo> rasengan: if you think same diff whahahahaa ;')
19:43:25 < zoite> when will it end
19:43:27 < joepie91> Tamara: I'm hoping that he'll show otherwise, but that is indeed the explanation I will have to default to if my question remains unanswered
19:43:27 < MIF> LMAO
19:43:28 < wright> piss off back to voat
19:43:38 < brabo> fucking hell, it's truly amateur hour here
19:43:39 <@rasengan> brabo: same diff, the mode was changed and the topic has been updated to reflect that.
19:43:44 < wright> go destroy another fucking publication
19:43:45 <@rasengan> brabo: ok.
19:43:46 < brabo> rasengan: yeye
19:43:49 < brabo> we believe you
19:43:54 < brabo> sooper dooper believe
19:43:57 <@rasengan> Please don't have a 'contest' of who knows IRC better this is stupid. Stop.
19:44:03 <@rasengan> Stay on topic.
19:44:06 < brabo> *pats rasengan on the head*
19:44:11 < notif> Sounds like you don't want people to talk about you being bad at irc
19:44:12 < slinger> the topic is mode +tn
19:44:14 < wright> the topic is you being unfit for this coup d'etat
19:44:18 < joepie91> rasengan: sure. let's stay on topic! how about you actually answer my question :)
19:44:22 < slinger> should we talk about mode +tn?
19:44:29 < slinger> do you even know what mode +tn does?
19:44:31 < zoite> tbh i dont think the owner of a company needs to know the details on how to operate it
19:44:34 < zoite> that's why they have staff
19:44:36 <@rasengan> notif ok
19:44:42 < slinger> tim cook is proof of that
19:44:43 < wright> still waiting on the tomaw threat allegation mate
19:44:45 < MIF> joepie91: he is not going to
19:44:46 < brabo> rasengan: sure, let's stay on topic, please do answer to the things i mentioned, or, heaven forbid, to the apt questions joepie91 has been asking for hours now?
19:45:00 < MIF> ]^
19:45:01 < brabo> how about that for on-topic?
19:45:02 < MIF> ^
19:45:04 < MIF> ^
19:45:06 < MIF> ^
19:45:07 < [[> ^
19:45:08 < MIF> ^
19:45:10 < [[> ^
19:45:10 < MIF> ^
19:45:12 < [[> ^
19:45:15 < Tamara> ^
19:45:17 < wright> COMBO BRTEAKERNERER]
19:45:17 < [[> ^
19:45:19 < wright> QWEKL:QWEKLWQEJEQW
19:45:25 < MIF> ^^
19:45:26 < slinger> i/nvite Sigyn
19:45:27 < MIF> ^
19:45:28 < [[> ^^
19:45:28 < brabo> LKWPETER
19:45:28 < Tamara> alright you're on
19:45:30 < [[> ^
19:45:37 < MIF> rasengan: 
19:45:39 < MIF> rasengan: 
19:45:41 < MIF> rasengan: 
19:45:43 < wright> let's not just spam
19:46:01 < Tamara> at this point there really isn't any point in taking him seriously anyway
19:46:02 < brabo> yeah indeed, let's bring more difficult questions and relations of his to this channel
19:46:09 < brabo> ^^
19:46:14 < [[> ^^
19:46:18 < MIF> ^^
19:46:26 < CTech> lame spam heh
19:46:29 < slinger> can someone pls voice me?
19:46:29 < zoite> rasengan, can i be your chief of security
19:46:32 < MIF> lame spam heh
19:46:34 < slinger> i have something i want to say
19:46:35 < joepie91> meh, spam
19:46:36 < zoite> to guard against physical threats
19:46:38 <@rasengan> joepie91: Your question was incorrect because the network isn't the volunteer staffs.  I answered the question to the best of my ability but cannot answer incorrect questions.  My access was terminated to be clear which was one of the reasons this all got to this point.  Does that answer your question?
19:46:43 < Tamara> it's pretty funny for him to continue digging the hole and I say the more hole he's in the better for us all
19:46:46 < brabo> rasengan: any credibility of you that this day started with? would it still be there you think?
19:46:52 < Tamara> the network isn't the network
19:46:58 <@rasengan> joepie91: The network belongs legally to me, and who I have been trying to give it to for the past month and a half was to the people.
19:47:00 <@rasengan> That's all this is about.
19:47:06 -!- tjr is now known as trobotham
19:47:07 < wright> can you prove the network belongs to you
19:47:10 < brabo> rasengan: the network is the community, and the staff operate it, and surprise surprise, we do know and trust them
19:47:12 < MIF> ^
19:47:18 < brabo> we know NOR trust you
19:47:19 < [[> ^
19:47:25 < MIF> ^
19:47:25 < brabo> and you have done nothing to change that perception
19:47:25 -!- ComputerTech [ComputerTe@unaffiliated/computertech] has joined #freenode-staff-discussion [account ComputerTech] [realname ComputerTech]
19:47:27 < joepie91> and there the mask falls off
19:47:29 -!- mode/#freenode-staff-discussion [+o ComputerTech] by rasengan
19:47:29 < wright> sounds to me like the people that run the network don't agree with you - so this is a hostile takeover?
19:47:34 < CTech> :)
19:47:46 < MIF> I agree with wright 
19:47:48 < Tamara> The network is the network, the network isn't a legal entity
19:48:04 < MIF> Sturtz Network Supports the CURRENT freenode staff
19:48:05 < brabo> wright: the people who operate it, the people who use it, do not trust him
19:48:06 < Tamara> talking about decentralisation while trying to roll things you don't own into a company lol
19:48:11 <@rasengan> No mask fell off joepie91
19:48:13 < wright> i'd like to hear what you've contributed to the network andrew
19:48:16 < notif> rasengan: Communities are People my friend
19:48:18 < brabo> so yes, this IS a hostile takeover attempt from rasengan 
19:48:21 < [[> rasengan: What's wrong with the currect freenode staff?
19:48:32 < Tamara> what's wrong is they see him for what he is
19:48:33 < zoite> who sold the domain to rasengan?
19:48:34 < slinger> they threaten people apparently
19:48:37 < MIF> Sturtz Network WILL NOT stand by rasengan 
19:48:39 < MIF> at all
19:48:48 < Tamara> yeah I mean no-one's standing by him
19:48:49 < slinger> i think you've made your point MIF
19:48:54 < Tamara> so not much surprise there
19:48:54 < brabo> slinger: trusted people like rasengan ? i don't believe it!
19:48:55 < CTech> lol
19:49:24 < joepie91> rasengan: so, it seems to me, then, that we can conclude that you - mistakenly - believe that Freenode is yours, as opposed to belonging to the community which has built it up, and that your claims of a "hostile takeover by opers" *really* just translate to "they are denying you the power you crave over a network which you neither built nor operate nor are welcome in"
19:49:43 < notif> zoite: i just did a whois freenode.com and it looks like its registered to somebody named "REDACTED FOR PRIVACY" which is not how you spell andrew lee
19:49:48 < brabo> joepie91++
19:49:57 < zoite> haha
19:49:57 < notif> so i think he might be full of shit here idk
19:49:57 <@rasengan> joepie91: No. that's not what I wrote.  Sorry.
19:50:05 < Tamara> The more you try to seize control of things you don't own and have never owned, the more decentralised you are
19:50:05 < brabo> rasengan: but it is what you say
19:50:06 < brabo> ;)
19:50:16 < Tamara> little known fact
19:50:37 < zoite> rasengan legally owns the domain i think thus controls the dns
19:50:47 < brabo> and that is all he owns
19:50:50 -!- Irssi: #freenode-staff-discussion: Total of 50 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 46 normal]
19:50:51 < brabo> he does not own this community
19:50:53 < zoite> right
19:50:55 < Tamara> yep and nowt more than that
19:50:56 < brabo> nor does he speak for it
19:50:57 -!- Crabsyq [~crab@172.93.192.2] has joined #freenode-staff-discussion [realname crab]
19:51:00 < MIF> but if he does anything with the dns then he will shut dow n the network
19:51:07 < brabo> no matter how much white-knighting he tries
19:51:09 < Tamara> sure, this is effectively what this is
19:51:11 < MIF> and you can't have a network with out users
19:51:22 < Tamara> it's just a very very convoluted and obfuscated blackmail attempt
19:51:23 < brabo> and we will gtfo out if you would succeed
19:51:29 < joepie91> he might legally own the domain, his mistake is believing that a domain equates an IRC network
19:51:44 < zoite> sounds like he's using it as leverage
19:51:45 < Tamara> he can somewhat fuck over freenode and that's leverage
19:51:48 < brabo> and then you'll have a shiny, but empty irc network as your own personal feifdom befitting a crown prince
19:51:50 < MIF> joepie91: all staff would have to do is get a new doain
19:51:53 < zoite> to get someone sysadmin access
19:52:03 < zoite> so yeah pretty much a hostile takeover
19:52:13 < Tamara> It's not a trivial undertaking to move an IRC network
19:52:16 < deceit> i like turtles
19:52:18 < moonshin1> i'm not sure freenode is a feather in rasengan's cap that everybody assumes it is
19:52:21 < wright> humour me this andrew if freenode limited owns the network and you claim to have been locked out, what were you locked out of
19:52:22 < MIF> I have done it
19:52:23 < Tamara> which is why this leverage is so interesting
19:52:26 < moonshin1> people can switch irc networks at will
19:52:27 < wright> could you please enumerate the toys they took from you
19:52:28 < moonshin1> zero cost
19:52:36 < MIF> I have moved domains
19:52:53 < joepie91> zoite: that's exactly it, yep, I just wanted confirmation from the man himself, which I now have
19:52:53 < zoite> there are a lot of projects which depend on freenode that would be very unhappy
19:53:09 < moonshin1> maybe so but unhappiness is the resting state of most foss projects
19:53:15 <@rasengan> zoite: we're not going to let freenode die/get messed up.  i think no matter what the disagreement is, everyone is in agreement there.
19:53:17 <@rasengan> so dont worry about that.
19:53:29 < joepie91> rasengan: what part of "you are not welcome here" was unclear to you?
19:53:31 < notif> rasengan: that's not true at all
19:53:34 < MIF> rasengan: WE WHO IS WE
19:53:34 < Tamara> The staff are considering resigning en masse
19:53:40 -!- Foxy [foxy@unaffiliated/loveableelf] has joined #freenode-staff-discussion [account LoveAbleElf] [realname Foxy]
19:53:42 < notif> I don't think everyone is in agreement here at all lmao
19:53:43 < Tamara> I don't know how you can dismiss that out of hand
19:53:49 < wright> it looks to me like you're the one killing freenode, andrew
19:53:53 < notif> You have people literally revolting at the idea of you being here lol
19:53:57 < Tamara> I can't think of a single person here who actually supports what you're doing andrew
19:54:06 < Tamara> it's so obviously transparently shady
19:54:06 < Foxy> lol
19:54:10 < MIF> Tamara:  I can
19:54:13 < [[> Tamara: rasengan supports rasengan
19:54:14 < notif> It's very easy to simply not do this and go shill coins somewhere else
19:54:18 < Tamara> [[: TRUE
19:54:30 < MIF> Tamara: I can thing of one more
19:54:31 < MIF> then rasengan 
19:54:45 < Tamara> two whole people?
19:54:47 < [[> MIF: Who?
19:54:48 < MIF> CTech: 
19:54:50 < Tamara> incredible, that's democratic consensus right there
19:54:51 < MIF> ComputerTech: 
19:54:57 < brabo> rasengan: and you don't worry about the investigative journalism that will come out about you and your business practices!
19:54:57 < CTech> ?
19:54:59 < CTech> hi
19:55:06 < MIF> read the backlog
19:55:10 < CTech> i am
19:55:11 <@rasengan> brabo: Thank you for the attention?
19:55:17 < brabo> thank me later
19:55:18 < Foxy> what's MIF? fill me in
19:55:24 < Foxy> hey rasengan
19:55:30 <@rasengan> hey Foxy!
19:55:31 < brabo> must be some twisted mind to thank someone for negative attention..
19:55:36 < MIF> oh and don't forget CTech's GF Foxy 
19:55:41 < Foxy> eww
19:55:47 < moonshin1> this whole conversation is getting very emotional. my mascara is running
19:55:51 < Foxy> don't make me kill you kid
19:55:54 < zoite> rasengan, what is it that you actually want
19:55:56 < CTech> lmao
19:55:58  * brabo hands moonshin1 a cleenex
19:55:59 < zoite> why did you buy the domain?
19:56:04 -!- trip-cloud [nitemare@succubus.dkr.prd.ca.robotham.dev] has joined #freenode-staff-discussion [account NiTeMaRe] [realname trip]
19:56:06 < Foxy> cause he can
19:56:13 < slinger> hmm i don't think death threats are very well liked here
19:56:14  * CTech waves at trip-cloud
19:56:14 < MIF> so we are up to 3 people
19:56:15 < Tamara> rich guy does rich guy things
19:56:20 < MIF> I bet prob 4 
19:56:29 -!- mode/#freenode-staff-discussion [+o trip-cloud] by trobotham
19:56:37 < Foxy> hi trip
19:56:43 <@trip-cloud> hola
19:56:46 < Anastasius> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo6Vh4Uz7Sk
19:56:50 < mefistofeles> hola cacerola
19:56:59 < MIF> if you want a rasengan free network join irc.sturtz.cf I will NOT take bribes from rich people
19:57:07 < brabo> ah i see, rasengan is bringing in the cronies
19:57:07 < CTech> MIF stop advertising
19:57:13 < notif> Shit i'd take bribes
19:57:15 < wright> MIF: that's not a good look
19:57:15 < CTech> not needed bro
19:57:18 < zoite> for the record, I'll take bribes if someone is offering
19:57:19 <@trip-cloud> sounds to me like you are spamming
19:57:20 < Foxy> MIF stop advdertising
19:57:21 < notif> why would you not take bribes
19:57:21 < mefistofeles> kick the spammer
19:57:28 < brabo> we should make a better pool on when the hammer is going to fall
19:57:31 < slinger> lol
19:57:33 < brabo> is it 2 minutes, 5, or 10?
19:57:35 < joepie91> zoite: I take bribes too! not that it'll buy you anything, but I'll take them :P
19:57:36 < Tamara> interesting that only now do people want to kick 'spammers'
19:57:41 < Tamara> weird!
19:57:43 < brabo> *betting pool
19:58:12  * Foxy eats popcorn and reads
19:58:14 < mefistofeles> Tamara: what? 
19:58:22 < MIF> Tamara: he has grown a foowing of 4 people
19:58:28 < Tamara> FOUR WHOLE PEOPLE
19:58:34 < Tamara> incredible numbers how does he do this
19:58:38 < Tamara> to the moon he's going, to the *moon* I say
19:58:40 < Anastasius> Tamara: You seem cool, please join ##club-nomicon
19:58:40 < brabo> eeeeeta: my version is $FUCKYOU
19:58:41 < MIF> I know right
19:58:42 < Thedarkb-Desktop> eeeeeta, I'm not a bot.
19:58:45 < wright> oh man we've got colors
19:58:47 < Foxy> lol
19:58:54 < zoite> eeeeeta, i feel so violated
19:58:56 < CTech> this is severally off topic tbh
19:58:56 -!- Irssi: #freenode-staff-discussion: Total of 53 nicks [5 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 48 normal]
19:59:02 < eeeeeta> [everyone hated that]
19:59:03 < Foxy> eeeeeta stop with the ctcp version replies
19:59:05 < brabo> zoite: me too, i did not consent to that!
19:59:06 < Tamara> Anastasius: very sussy but why not
19:59:07 < Thedarkb-Desktop> I like R for emphasis to be honest.
19:59:12 < CTech> more of a spam topic than actually discussing about freenode
19:59:15 < wright> CTech: well the crown prince of bel-air refused to answer questions
19:59:20 < mefistofeles> check
19:59:22 < Foxy> lol
19:59:24 < brabo> wright: lol
19:59:26 < MIF> d
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19:59:34 < wright> so all we've got left is to remind him he's unqualified to run a channel let alone a network
19:59:43 < Tamara> in west freenode born and raised
19:59:49 < Thedarkb-Desktop> It's a bit classless plugging your own network while we try to solve an issue with this one, MIF
19:59:49 < brabo> freenode
19:59:51 < Tamara> insert lyrics here
19:59:53 < MIF> LOL
19:59:57 < Foxy> he's not obligated to answer any questions he feel is not worthy
19:59:59 < Tamara> solve what issue lmao
20:00:02 < Tamara> andrew *is* the issue
20:00:04 < [[> rainbow!
20:00:09 < Foxy> how is andrew an issue?
20:00:14 < Thedarkb-Desktop> He is the issue, yes.
20:00:16 < joepie91> CTech: well, we've kinda reached the conclusion of the original discussion topic, which is "Andrew bought the domain and now mistakenly believes that that entitles him to control over Freenode, and staff told him no" -- so I'm not sure there's a whole lot more to discuss
20:00:26 < eeeeeta> squirrel: 10/10 CTCP VERSION
20:00:28 < wright> hey pls dont flood in my network also no colors and swearing is not allowed
20:00:37 < MIF> Thedarkb-Desktop: if you see any issues with my network then Feel free to tell me about it
20:00:38 < zoite> no fun allowed
20:00:38 < Thedarkb-Desktop> He's barged in with a self righteous attitude because he pays for the domain name.
20:00:41 < Tamara> the guy who lies through his teeth and tries to seize control of an IRC net is not the problem, Foxy, apologioes for the mistake
20:00:44 < mefistofeles> fuck that
20:00:44 <@rasengan> wright: https://github.com/toc-irc/jbnc - as you could imagine with this many people coming at me and seeing the topic changed, i made a typo and typed /topic instead of /mode.  sorry for that.  if its a dick waving issue about irc protocol knowledge, im not interested.
20:00:47 < MIF> and PLEASE do it in ##sturtz_network so it is public
20:00:52 < CTech> joepie91, i was meaning the random colour messages tbh
20:01:09 < wright> rasengan: you're dick waving money mate
20:01:10 < Foxy> then strip the colors from the channel
20:01:19 < joepie91> CTech: sure. that's just background radiation that shows up when there's nothing meaningful to discuss anymore :)
20:01:22 < wright> buy your way to the top and be ready to get owned when you're unqualified
20:01:22 < brabo> rasengan: and *now* it was a typo while previously it supposedly was *intended*?
20:01:23 < MIF> rasengan: that is mode +c just so you know
20:01:29 < Tamara> really, we're no strangers to love here
20:01:31 < brabo> you seem such a trustworthy person!
20:01:34 < Tamara> all familiar with the rules
20:01:41 < Foxy> lol unqualified
20:01:42 <@rasengan> wright: what did i buy my way to?
20:01:48 < MIF> freenode
20:01:50 < brabo> rasengan: nowhere here
20:01:53 < wright> well, freenode, so you claim
20:01:53 < joepie91> freenode's domain*
20:01:59 < Foxy> lol
20:02:10 < brabo> you can try what you will, and we'll continue without you, as before
20:02:12 < Tamara> He bought leverage!
20:02:17 < brabo> he bought shit
20:02:20 < Tamara> and why not
20:02:26 < brabo> a domain does not buy you a community
20:02:28 < Tamara> shitcoin is popular these days I hear
20:02:31 < brabo> it is
20:02:33 < Foxy> lol
20:02:41 < mefistofeles> :/
20:02:41 < brabo> there is even a shitcoin2021 in FL this summer
20:02:45 < wright> are you going to just pay people to run the network for you and is that going to be rdv and is he going to typefuck people in public
20:02:50 < brabo> same time as bitcoin2021
20:03:07 < brabo> https://shitcoin2021.com/
20:03:09 < mefistofeles> [[: ?
20:03:09 < Tamara> I hear the furry community is popular these days
20:03:11 -!- mode/#freenode-staff-discussion [+o Foxy] by rasengan
20:03:16 < Tamara> you should turn this into a 'yiff' network
20:03:16 < brabo> rasengan: you should bring karpeles
20:03:16 < slinger> [[: hi
20:03:19 <@Foxy> thanks rasengan
20:03:20 < mefistofeles> furry coin
20:03:23 < [[> mefistofeles: I CTCP VERSIONed this channel
20:03:26 < slinger> [[: i'm using weechat for your information
20:03:30 < mefistofeles> [[: I know, but why?
20:03:37 < joepie91> brabo: oh, that'll be fun. he still owes me 50 EUR
20:03:38 < slinger> and you coulda just asked
20:03:40  * Tamara ctcp uwu
20:03:49 < mefistofeles> Tamara: stop ctcping!
20:03:54  * Tamara no
20:03:54 < mefistofeles> xD
20:04:09 < brabo> joepie91: i'll come with you, we'll get it back ;)
20:04:14  * Tamara this is the better way to privmsg tbh
20:04:34  * Tamara the vague aura of erp with none of the substance
20:04:49 < brabo> erp like erpsongs?
20:04:52 -!- mode/#freenode-staff-discussion [+C] by rasengan
20:05:01 < wright> good job man
20:05:01 < Tamara> not quite
20:05:14  * Tamara oh well
20:05:26 -!- mode/#freenode-staff-discussion [+o Crabsyq] by rasengan
20:05:32 < brabo> wright: he is so good at managing irc channels, much wow
20:05:37 < brabo> teh amaze
20:05:59 < brabo> and keep passive-aggresively opping your cronies shouting how you are only here to save us all
20:06:20 <@Crabsyq> I am very much not a "cronie" for anyone.
20:06:28 < CTech> is this a slander channel? or a discussion channel ;)
20:06:31 < wright> are you a bronie
20:06:38 < wright> CTech: this is a coup channel actually
20:06:39 < mefistofeles> CTech: it's a reflection of freenode
20:06:41 < brabo> Crabsyq: and i am the king of turkmenistan?
20:06:42 <@Crabsyq> only on weekdays
20:06:49 < wright> andrew ran away when #freenode proved too much
20:07:04 <@Foxy> lol
20:07:04 < brabo> he thought this would make a better echo-chamber
20:07:06 < wright> faced with the reality that the userbase will reject his hostile takeover, he fled the scene
20:07:09 -!- Topic unset by rasengan on #freenode-staff-discussion
20:07:12 < CTech> or maybe the lot of ya spammed too much...
20:07:14 -!- Crabsyq is now known as not-quite-uptime
20:07:17 <@Foxy> hostile?
20:07:38 < wright> in his own words - he's sent lawyers in
20:07:49 <@Foxy> which he is legally able to do
20:07:51 < brabo> Foxy: hah, how else would any sane person call this?
20:07:57 < [[> How did you unset the topic?
20:07:58 < notif> wonder if all these people are actually just rasengan on several laptops
20:08:00 < brabo> to have the domain, sure, the community?
20:08:01 < brabo> hah
20:08:08 <@Foxy> lol
20:08:09 < brabo> seen how the community reactions went?
20:08:12 < CTech> lol
20:08:14 < notif> Think about it, haven't seen them typing at the same time right?
20:08:26 < CTech> hm
20:08:26 < brabo> notif: you thinking socks?
20:08:35 < notif> No like several computers
20:08:38 < notif> not even that complicated
20:08:39 < CTech> afraid you're wrong mate ;)
20:08:42 < CTech> then again
20:08:46 <@trobotham> na, I can assure you I am not rasengan 
20:08:47 < brabo> notif: socks == sock puppets
20:08:48 < notif> sockpuppets yeah thought you meant proxys
20:08:49 < CTech> who knows, maybe, maybe
20:08:49 <@not-quite-uptime>  /msg rasengan hey its me notif dont tell the others
20:08:52 <@not-quite-uptime> damn
20:08:53 <@not-quite-uptime> sorry
20:08:56 < CTech> lol
20:08:57 < brabo> trobotham: prove it
20:09:01 < notif> oop there it is
20:09:03 < notif> boom
20:09:06 < brabo> preferably better than rasengan proved his intentions
20:09:06 < notif> gottem
20:09:09 <@trobotham> brabo: I quite honestly don't have to prove anything to anyone
20:09:17 < CTech> ^ same
20:09:25 < brabo> then rest assured we will conclude what we think to be true ;)
20:09:27 < notif> post timestamps
20:09:29 < notif> all yall
20:09:35 < notif> proof of life i wanna see todays newspaper
20:09:49 < CTech> brabo, you are free to think what you wish
20:09:51 < wright> rasengan: hey andy - checking in on that tomaw threat allegation
20:10:09 < brabo> CTech: don't worry, we as a community, will ;)
20:10:12 < wright> i think you shouldn't wait on proving that one
20:10:19 <@Foxy> lol
20:10:25 <@Foxy> hostile users
20:10:37 <@Foxy> users that think they can control a network
20:10:40 <@Foxy> that's funny
20:10:44 < wright> that tends to happen when you try to force your way to admin access of a network
20:10:49 < slinger> really funny
20:10:51 < brabo> Foxy: who'd have thunk it when some lamers come in trying to hijack a community network?
20:11:12 <@trobotham> the discussion would be more productive if people weren't trying to troll
20:11:13 < brabo> wright: too fast for me, hats off
20:11:21 < notif> I'm gonna continue to assume these are all rasengan running around a tiny apartment tryna type fast
20:11:25 < wright> the conversation shouldn't be happening
20:11:25 < mefistofeles> trobotham: trolling is a consequence of the nonsensic discussion
20:11:38 < eeeeeta> this channel seems like it's run its course tbh
20:11:44 < moonshin1> i'm not taking sides, i just use the damn thing.  i can wait for more info to come out before i make any conclusions
20:11:49 < brabo> trobotham: no, there could be a proper discussion IF the ones making allegations of being the white knight in shining armor had more than bullshit to back up that claim..
20:11:59 < brabo> ok>?
20:12:07 < wright> the lot of you should fuck off and leave freenode as it was and quit trying to seize control
20:12:08 < wright> 15:58:06 <@jess> 2021-03-15 21:21:47 <rasengan> I have not, am not, and will not interfere with the operations of freenode outside of when asked for help [...]
20:12:12 < moonshin1> i don't think, really, anybody cared about who was doing what until today
20:12:42 < moonshin1> but now it's a big thing.  it made hacker news, so man i feel that outrage.
20:12:50 < brabo> wright: right, and i do not think anyone asked rasengan to come and save us
20:12:52 < wright> WHY WONT THE USERS LOVE ME he screams in to a pile of mt gox money
20:12:54 <@Foxy> businesses are sold all the time
20:13:00 < brabo> wright: hahaha
20:13:04 < brabo> wright: right on
20:13:07 < wright> freenode isn't a business, it's a nonprofit run on donated machines by volunteer staff
20:13:14 < slinger> wright on
20:13:17 < brabo> more, it is a community
20:13:31 < brabo> that has faith in the staff voluntarily running the network
20:13:39 < brabo> but not so much in posers like rasengan 
20:13:42 < wright> freenode is an idea and ideas, mr lee, are bulletproof
20:13:44 < moonshin1> technically non-profits are businesses too
20:13:45 <@Foxy> lol
20:13:46 < brabo> coming out of nowhere to "save" us
20:13:56 < CTech> tbh, heres my opinion, why do majority of you even care?
20:13:56 < joepie91> literally none of the parts of Freenode that people actually care about, are in any way a 'business'
20:14:11 < slinger> because freenode is home to many of us
20:14:21 < joepie91> so yes, businesses are sold all the time, absolutely true, and also completely irrelevant to the matter at hand
20:14:21 < wright> CTech: i don't want him killing another network - see snoonet https://sand.cat/fiW5QDYXauoKwybL/snoo-takeover.txt
20:14:21 < brabo> and home, it is, to many of us
20:14:24 < CTech> and does it matter who owns it?
20:14:25 < brabo> a trusted home
20:14:28 < slinger> YES
20:14:34 < wright> i don't want a freenodecoin actually
20:14:38 < CTech> its a home to me too
20:14:39 < brabo> where we feel safe from predatorial companies trying to own us
20:14:40 < moonshin1> probably, nothing will come of this that will matter to the average user.  and if it does, it will happen at the project level on a longer timeline and maybe some will move to other networks. life moves on
20:14:45 <@trobotham> bab: I agree, I love freenode myself and the communities in it
20:14:50 <@trobotham> brabo: *
20:15:03 < CTech> ^
20:15:05 < catgirl> unrelated to the current topic, am i correct in the assumption that rasengan did co-found handshake?
20:15:05 < slinger> freenode is great because the people run it are passionate about foss and community
20:15:14 < brabo> trobotham: if that is so, deop yourself and distance yourself from rasengan ;)
20:15:17 <@Foxy> freenode is a platform designed for developers to improve their ideas and grow. i don't see anyone of you doing any of that. just spamming with hate. 
20:15:25 < mefistofeles> we could just avoid all the drama and just leave... that's an option
20:15:30 < wright> no freenode is a network for open source software and peer directed projects
20:15:33 < wright> have you even read the fucking site
20:15:36 < slinger> which, i'm sorry, but mister lee here isn't real passionate about anything more than himself
20:15:49 < brabo> mefistofeles: that would deprive us from our fridaynight entertainment, don't blaspheme please
20:16:00 < notif> Foxy: go back to ycombinator
20:16:02 < CTech> if that was the case, why would he fund freenode at all?
20:16:11 < eeeeeta> why does rasengan even care about the freenode domain when he started Handshake
20:16:13 < wright> some rich people buy boats
20:16:19 < wright> to go fuck around in and be an idiot
20:16:25 < slinger> where exactly does that money go?
20:16:25 <@Foxy> why do you care what rasengan does?
20:16:29 < CTech> ^
20:16:34 < slinger> because it effects us
20:16:35 <@Foxy> he's free to buy and own what he wants
20:16:36 < brabo> CTech: he needs some unwitting entity to launder those mt gox coins through
20:16:45 < joepie91> Foxy: lol fuck off
20:16:47 < wright> he's not free to seize control of a network he's never had operation control over
20:16:49 < moonshin1> i'm less concerned about where the money came from, but where it went
20:16:51 <@Foxy> joepie91 be nice
20:16:58 < CTech> joepie91 truth hurt? :)
20:17:03 < slinger> literally who are you Foxy
20:17:05 < brabo> moonshin1: that is what he tries to fool us into thinking
20:17:11 < joepie91> ah yes, be nice to the person spewing some hypercapitalist bullshit
20:17:16 < brabo> but no proof there was ever any money donated
20:17:17 < brabo> :p
20:17:18 < mefistofeles> ok, this is a shitshow... as expected
20:17:19 < joepie91> of course
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20:17:22 < CTech> does it have to be a debate? why not make it more civilized?
20:17:22 <@trobotham> moonshin1: what money?
20:17:35 < joepie91> "he's free to exploit the public commons! it's his right!"
20:17:35 < slinger> CTech: just shut up
20:17:36 < joepie91> lol
20:17:42 < CTech> slinger calm down
20:17:50 < Tamara> CTech: get tae
20:17:50 < brabo> CTech: civilised went out when rasengan tried to pull this stunt, and the backfire that happens.. it was sollicited
20:17:53 < moonshin1> well brabo this is not even a full day of discussion. i'm level headed enough to be able to ask that question a couple days from now when maybe there's more sunlight on the topic
20:17:53 <@Foxy> everyone needs to calm down
20:17:55 < wright> can andrew speak to outstanding legal issues with other people he's been in "business" with
20:17:59 <@Foxy> it is not the end of the world
20:18:04 <@Foxy> nor is it the end of freenode
20:18:06 < CTech> brabo, are you a sheep then?
20:18:09 < joepie91> Foxy: we're all perfectly calm, we just don't buy your nonsense
20:18:16 < CTech> to copy ones actions?
20:18:16 < wright> rasengan: still waiting on that proof for the toamw threat allegation - i don't think you should leave that hanging for too long
20:18:21 < CTech> certainly seems so
20:18:28 < brabo> CTech: i am a user speaking out of my own volition against a predator
20:18:35 < Tamara> the staff are preparing to resign, this is possibly the end of freenode
20:18:45 < Tamara> that's not an unreasonable outcome
20:18:50 < moonshin1> not everything is going to be answered in one day.  this has played out over months so slow your roll
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20:19:00 <@Foxy> joepie91 why? cause you can't think outside of the box? you need someone to tell how to think and feel all the time? 
20:19:08 < brabo> Tamara: they were preparing, but community backfire may change the illusion rasengan held of taking over the network
20:19:18 < brabo> and if not, we fork off and leave him empty handed
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20:19:26 <@Foxy> a predator?
20:19:27 <@Foxy> lol
20:19:28 < brabo> it is a hassle, but it will happen if he persists
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20:19:36 < wright> WHY DO YOU CARE they scream as the entire userbase threatens to leave
20:19:36 < Tamara> oh good god trying to accuse sven of not being able to think is rich
20:19:41 < brabo> Foxy: we have seen nothing to show otherwise ;)
20:19:48 < moonshin1> you're not speaking for the entire userbase
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20:19:53 < moonshin1> most people don't actually care
20:20:00 <@not-quite-uptime> Tamara: so you think the staff are what make freenode freenode?
20:20:10 < brabo> moonshin1: actually most people do care, and already are factoring in moving networks
20:20:12 < slinger> partly so
20:20:16 < brabo> it is a little hassle, not a big one
20:20:20 < Tamara> I think that freenode is freenode. not a domain
20:20:26 < brabo> no one rather would have to, but many will ;)
20:20:29 <@Foxy> people move networks all the time, that is nothing new
20:20:30 < moonshin1> no, you're wrong. this is a tiny slice of people in this discussion. you do not speak for everybody
20:20:31 < brabo> Tamara: exactly
20:20:51 <@not-quite-uptime> Tamara: yet if the staff quit, it's somehow all going to be over?
20:20:52 < brabo> moonshin1: yeah and you are not noticing most of the community taking a backseat and following events closely
20:21:00 < brabo> because idk, you are not in touch with them, maybe?
20:21:03 < Tamara> the staff control the infrastructure, so yes
20:21:13 < moonshin1> if by "most" you mean the count of users in this chan and #freenode then it's relatively few.
20:21:27 <@not-quite-uptime> staff come and go all the time, I'm not sure why you think them leaving is *that* big of a deal
20:21:29 < wright> it's going to be over because the userbase will also not stand for what you're doing
20:21:30 < CTech> [21:21] (Tamara) the staff control the infrastructure, so yes  << can always be  new staff
20:21:32 < brabo> not-quite-uptime: then we move, and you can sadly watch the usercount drop and drop and..
20:21:46 < CTech> lol
20:21:49 <@Foxy> do anyone of yall know how to manage a network in this size or structure? 
20:21:54 < Tamara> where does the new infra come from?
20:21:56 < brabo> i do
20:21:56 < wright> do you?
20:21:57 < joepie91> Foxy: look, we all know that you and rasengan's other cronies are just here to make noise and pad the illusion support for his bizarre takeover attempt
20:21:57 <@not-quite-uptime> brabo to be fair it's been dropping regardless
20:22:00 <@Foxy> brabo once again you can't speak for everyone
20:22:01 < brabo> Foxy: do you?
20:22:02 <@not-quite-uptime> shout out to matrix for holding it up
20:22:05 < joepie91> illusion of*
20:22:06 <@Foxy> that is your opinion
20:22:07 < moonshin1> you were free to do that anytime. this is irc and it's nothing new to those of us who have been on irc since before efnet
20:22:10 < wright> Foxy: do you route australia to NA or Europe?
20:22:16 < brabo> not-quite-uptime: wait until i get matthew alone though
20:22:18 < brabo> :p
20:22:28 < CTech> brabo, whats your irc network? is it on netsplit.de ? maybe 50000+ users? i doubt it
20:22:30 < CTech> :)
20:22:33 < moonshin1> this kind of drama is par for the course, welcome to irc?
20:22:40 <@Foxy> lol
20:22:43 < brabo> CTech: i don't "own" a network
20:22:46 <@Foxy> moonshin1 exactly
20:22:52 < brabo> i am not that presumptious ;)
20:22:53 < CTech> right, have you ever?
20:22:58  * Anastasius farts effusively
20:22:59 <@Foxy> apparently not
20:23:05 <@Foxy> it has no idea how to run a network
20:23:06 < [[> I own a network on localhost
20:23:09 < CTech> then you wouldn't know
20:23:15 < CTech> [[ cool :)
20:23:26 < brabo> CTech: because i am not so presumptious to think i own a network?
20:23:34 < slinger> does your technet experience make you the go-to authority on network management?
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20:23:41 <@Foxy> lol
20:23:42 < brabo> that is some twisted logic that fits right in with todays story ;)
20:23:42 < catgirl> the andrew lee on twitter (wright brought up earlier) claims to be co-founder of hns - and so does rasengan if i got that correctly? are there two andrew lees not only within handshake but also both founders, or is one of them not telling the truth?
20:23:52 < catgirl> all of the irc protocol bickering aside
20:24:05 < CTech> slinger, not at all, although i probably know how to manage a network better than most in here
20:24:14 < slinger> hehe i bet
20:24:20 < CTech> :)
20:24:22 < brabo> catgirl: nice catch, what is hns abbreviation of?
20:24:41 <@Foxy> lol
20:24:46 < catgirl> the handshake dns thing
20:25:05 < moonshin1> it would be simple enough for andrew to insert a dns record to prove who he is, but i mean, what's the point?  in any crime, what's the motive
20:25:28 < moonshin1> is he after that insane freenode.net profit potential?
20:25:29 < brabo> the handshake coin?
20:25:30 < Reinhilde> I'm just a snuggly fox
20:25:42 < CTech> hehe :)
20:25:47 < slinger> i thought you were a husky
20:25:47 <@rasengan> catgirl: 2 - https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto
20:25:52 < slinger> did your fursona change?
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20:26:12 < Tamara> oh no furry time
20:26:19 < moonshin1> this isn't rizon
20:26:28 < wright> thank god - andrew bought oper on rizon too
20:26:28 < catgirl> rasengan: okay now that's a pretty funny coincidence
20:26:29 < CTech> far from it
20:26:41 <@Foxy> hahahahahaahhah
20:26:44 <@Foxy> that's bull shit
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20:26:48 <@Foxy> you can't buy oper on rizon
20:26:50 <@Foxy> try again 
20:26:52 < slinger> uh
20:26:55 < slinger> yeah you can
20:26:55 < wright> hahaha
20:26:59 <@Foxy> no you can not
20:27:01 < wright> are you new
20:27:02 < Reinhilde> slinger, me? I was a dragon before becoming a fox
20:27:05 < Reinhilde> Ellenor is still a husky
20:27:05 < slinger> that's literally how anyone becomes oper
20:27:06 < wright> is this your first day
20:27:06 <@Foxy> you must be
20:27:16 <@Foxy> bullshit
20:27:19 < CTech> none of you even know who Foxy is lol
20:27:20 < wright> you can buy a disputed crown prince title mate
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20:27:23 < Reinhilde> slinger, people can become oper for free on my IRC network ifI've known them long enough
20:27:32 < slinger> i mean on rizon
20:27:33 < Reinhilde> CTech, Rizon person?
20:27:35 <@not-quite-uptime> Are there any freenode-related questions before you all devolve off to rizon related stuff?
20:27:41 < slinger> you buy them a pretty server and you get oper rights
20:27:44 < Reinhilde> not-quite-uptime, :D
20:27:45  * moonshin1 taps out
20:27:47 < CTech> not gknna say
20:27:50 < Reinhilde> no, I'm just here for the lafs
20:27:51 <@Foxy> i guess next you gonna say that's how people buy o:line on dalnet and undernet
20:27:52 < CTech> not-quite-uptime i agree
20:27:54 <@Foxy> yall are funny
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20:28:09 < wright> i've got some freenode related questions
20:28:09 < brabo> not-quite-uptime: the questions have been asked, we're still waiting for the answers
20:28:23 < Anastasius> Excuse me, I parted the channel incorrectly. Here we go.
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20:28:28 < brabo> so in the meantime we're just going to be irc users in a channel where the answers don't come
20:28:40 < Reinhilde> bro...
20:28:41 < wright> rasengan: where did the money go, why are the accounts not up to date, why don't they come close to reflecting how much you claim to have invested, can you please prove the allegations against tomaw fairly quickly
20:28:49 <@Foxy> what money
20:28:51 <@not-quite-uptime> brabo: I came in late so I most probably missed them then, sorry
20:28:56 < Reinhilde> Foxy, money involved in freenode ltd
20:28:59 < brabo> not-quite-uptime: then do not pretend to know it all
20:29:06 < Reinhilde> good god, we need to bring in jim browning
20:29:09 <@not-quite-uptime> brabo I never claimed to
20:29:17 < brabo> bad bad op
20:29:18 < wright> https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48#file-freenode-txt-L51
20:29:19 < wright> money
20:29:29 <@rasengan> wright: As I explained, those aren't questions I can answer as I wasn't involved in operations.  As for the tomaw part, that will come out.
20:29:37 < slinger> when though
20:29:38 <@Foxy> soon
20:29:44 < wright> rasengan: you really shouldn't wait on backing up that libel
20:30:00 < slinger> you can't just accuse the head of freenode staff of threats and not provide proof
20:30:00 < brabo> wright: LOL at buzztiaans comment. he gets free shit from me next time i hop over!
20:30:02 <@rasengan> It's not libel.
20:30:08 < [[> rasengan: Why do you want full access to freenode if you're not going to do anything?
20:30:14 < Reinhilde> jeeze dude.
20:30:29 <@Foxy> just like you can't accuse rasengan of a hostile take over
20:30:41 < Reinhilde> You grew up and became a psychopath. I remember when I was an irc victim, which it's alleged you was too.
20:30:42 < wright> he's been training with kakashi hatake all this time
20:30:48 < slinger> yes but we have several days of irc logs to prove that
20:30:48 < wright> wait
20:30:52 < wright> that's chidori fuck
20:31:03 < joepie91> *I* certainly can accuse rasengan of a hostile takeover
20:31:11 < CTech> proof?
20:31:11 < joepie91> and have done so
20:31:12 < wright> i'm fairly sure i can too
20:31:20 < joepie91> and will continue to do so unless credible proof shows otherwise
20:31:20 < slinger> oh okay
20:31:22 < brabo> i have done so too
20:31:23 < slinger> they want proof
20:31:23 < Reinhilde> Well, technically it was Ellenor what was an IRC victim. IRC gives you PTSD. This is a thing. It's not in the literature because nobody has bothered to document it
20:31:26 < slinger> do we have proof?
20:31:32 < brabo> and with 0 evidence to the contrary..
20:31:33 < CTech> if you could all provide logs, that would be awesome
20:31:36 < CTech> slinger Yeah
20:31:37 <@Foxy> you haven't shown any proof it is a hostile take over
20:31:40 < Reinhilde> nobody goes to seek attention. Instead, they turn to drugs, or as I did, feminizing hormone therapy
20:31:56 < slinger> 2021-05-11 12:54:16 < rasengan> Hey Freenode Staff!  Hope you're well.  A message from the official board of Freenode Limited, owner of the freenode IRC network:  kevinp is in charge of infrastructure and has been legally resolved into this position by the board of Freenode.  Please work with him to get his access and credentials in place smoothly.
20:32:04 < joepie91> Foxy: actually, I didn't have to, because rasengan provided it for me
20:32:08 < wright> you know what screams "peaceful transition" to me? lawyers!
20:32:17 < brabo> Foxy: that is again the deflect of darvo. after hours of being pressed into proving this is not a hostile takeover, what do you expect people make of his attempt?
20:32:21 < joepie91> which makes everything so much easier!
20:32:24 < [[> rasengan: Why do you want kevinp to be an IRC operator?
20:32:25 <@not-quite-uptime> wright: doesn't sound like that was the first choice for anyone
20:32:27 < brabo> 0 proof his claims are truthful
20:32:29 < wright> 16:02:02 < rasengan> Fuchs: The freenode limited board does not recognize you as a volunteer or any staff or operator of freenode.  Please remove yourself from ops and operator status.  Thank you.
20:32:30 < brabo> 0
20:32:32 < brabo> so
20:32:37 <@Foxy> lol
20:32:41 < brabo> you're not the victim here
20:32:46 <@Foxy> lol
20:32:49 < wright> 16:33:17 < rasengan> through, don't hesitate to send me a message privately. I believe a lot of what's happened here is forgivable and I am more than willing to give second chances and move on.  If you would love to keep freenode running
20:32:53 < brabo> and we don't buy your twisting it to that fact
20:32:53 < wright> , we would love to have you.  Please let me know
20:32:55 <@Foxy> poor snowflakes
20:33:03 < slinger> would you like more proof?
20:33:03 < Reinhilde> rasengan, it'd be appreciated if you brought the accounts on C'ies House up to date.
20:33:05 < brabo> Foxy: you'd make a good Q ;)
20:33:11 < wright> rasengan: you might want to get your PR in line
20:33:17 < wright> i don't think this channel's log is going to look great
20:33:18 <@Foxy> you havent' shown proof of anything
20:33:19 < brabo> we know these tactics
20:33:23 < brabo> nor has rasengan 
20:33:27 <@Foxy> lol
20:33:30 <@rasengan> wright: lol
20:33:31 < brabo> so why would we believe him?
20:33:35 <@rasengan> wright: it is what it is. 
20:33:44 < joepie91> Foxy: again, noone needs to show any proof of the hostile takeover, as rasengan has graciously provided it themselves
20:33:48 < wright> is your goal here to kill freenode before you get your hands on it
20:33:48 < Reinhilde> wright, I am willing to run a platform and put myself at risk to host full and uncensored logs.
20:33:48 <@Foxy> you think someone is obligated to show you anything, 
20:33:51 < slinger> Foxy: i wasn't aware that freenode had umode +D
20:33:52 -!- notif [60e05662@96.224.86.98] has quit [Quit: Connection closed]
20:33:57 < Reinhilde> slinger, it has just that.
20:34:01 < wright> you're going to be the least popular coup leader
20:34:16 < zoite> He’s the mad king 
20:34:16 < brabo> Foxy: if they want the users to buy their story of being the knight in shining white armor, the burden of proof is in your court
20:34:28 < brabo> and surprise surprise, none was produced
20:35:06 < Reinhilde> wright, is it ok if I PM you?
20:35:12 < brabo> you seriously need either to get better at this (which if talentless chances are slim) or quit this game while you are very much not ahead..
20:35:51 < wright> Reinhilde: sure
20:38:25 < squirrel> hello was afk (making soup) can i have a link to the decentralization plan please
20:38:43 -!- Nay [jeda@hellomouse/dev/jeda] has joined #freenode-staff-discussion [account JeDa] [realname JeDaYoshi]
20:38:53 <@not-quite-uptime> hope the soup was/is nice
20:39:16 < Reinhilde> oh good, jéda's here :/
20:39:19 < squirrel> i put it into slow cooker, should be ready tomorrow morning, but smells pretty nice already
20:39:24 < Reinhilde> that's my signal to go dark
20:39:48 <@not-quite-uptime> hi jeda, long time no talk :p
20:40:10 < joepie91> squirrel: still no plan
20:40:17 < joepie91> or anything else of substance really
20:40:21 -!- bpalmer [~user@unaffiliated/bpalmer] has joined #freenode-staff-discussion [account bpalmer] [realname unknown]
20:40:24 < wright> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RWjFVKhkKp/
20:40:27 < wright> gonna spam this around innit
20:40:51 < joepie91> just an admission that rasengan believes his ownership of the domain extends to ownership of "the network", and therefore believes that the opers are trying to do a "hostile takeover" of, y'know, the network that they themselves run
20:41:27 < Reinhilde> joepie91, what in hell
20:41:34 < joepie91> wright: why on earth can you not 'download as text' without logging into ubuntu stuff ._.
20:41:34 < brabo> talk about twisting reality
20:41:47 < joepie91> Reinhilde: I wish I were making this up
20:42:26 < squirrel> joepie91: yeah what the hell ubuntu
20:42:35 < brabo> joepie91: because buntu
20:42:53 < brabo> and they for sure never tried to exort monies or control from anyone!
20:43:41 < wright> joepie91: do you have a better pastebin
20:43:47 < Nay> Reinhilde, I have been looking for a while
20:43:50 < wright> i wasnted bpaste but my paste was too big and round
20:43:53 < Nay> not only here but on #freenode too
20:43:57 < Nay> also, why go dark?
20:43:59 < Nay> also, hi not-quite-uptime
20:44:59 < Reinhilde> joepie91, ye
20:45:06 < Reinhilde> Nay, what
20:45:21 < Nay> nothing, really
20:46:00 < slinger> gist is nice for big stuff but...
20:47:15 < joepie91> wright: no concrete recommendations, I tend to use gists
20:47:22 < joepie91> but they do require a github acc
20:47:35 < [[> joepie91: bpa.st, paste.debian.net, paste.sr.ht
20:47:48 < slinger> bpa.st is bpaste
20:48:09 < Reinhilde> I have my own home directory on my website
20:48:10 < joepie91> wright: also, the paste goes in the round hole :^)
20:48:21 < joepie91> err, the square hole*
20:48:25 < wright> i'll go gist then
20:48:27 < joepie91> well I fucked up that joke